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size=2>Actually, avoiding user confusion is one of the main things we are trying
to achieve.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=343342913-14082008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Our solution will be based upon OpenID protocols, but it will support a
closed set of systems, so the one thing somebody CAN'T do is use one of our IDs
to log in to (say) MySpace or Flickr. If the site says "OpenID", that might well
be confusing to someone aware of the general use case for
OpenID.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=343342913-14082008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>One way of looking at this is the difference between a product brand like
Intel, and an "Intel Inside" or "Powered by AMD" logo.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=343342913-14082008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Obviously we could avoid mentioning OpenID at all on our pages, and if we
can't find a mutually acceptable solution here that's what we will probably do,
but we would like to give OpenID some credit for their part in the
solution.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=343342913-14082008><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Is there a case for an "OpenID Inside" logo, with more flexibility around
it's use?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><!-- Converted from text/plain format -->
<P><FONT size=2>Regards: Colin
Evans<BR> NHS CFH Capability
& Capacity<BR><BR>CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at<BR><A
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Mark Cross [mailto:sites@thirdvisit.co.uk]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 13 August 2008 12:01<BR><B>To:</B>
colin.evans@nhs.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> legal@openid.net; 'Snorri
Giorgetti'<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [legal] Permission to use a modified OpenID
logo<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Dear Colin,<BR><BR>The IPO site must have been down :-(<BR><PRE wrap=""><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818">http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866">http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866</A>
</PRE>I own the text and device trademark for the UK - see links
above.<BR><BR>My view is inline with the OpenID Foundation guidelines thus
far:<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://wiki.openid2009.org/OpenID_Logo_Policy">http://wiki.openid2009.org/OpenID_Logo_Policy</A><BR><BR>>Note
that no derivative of the OpenID logo can be published without prior approval
from the Foundation. <BR><BR>Personally I am against derivative marks in
principle. (Reason: brand dilution and confusing to end users)<BR><BR>Although
you do probably not intend to use the device logo outside the UK, please could
you ask the Foundation formally for their view?<BR><BR>If you can let me know
their thoughts, I will perhaps adjust mine.<BR><BR>Please remember that is my
intention to hand over the trademark's at some stage, but there are few issues
to work through at the moment.<BR><BR>Cheers Mark<BR><BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:colin.evans@nhs.net">colin.evans@nhs.net</A> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:000601c8fb42$235fe6c0$4000a8c0@npfit.nhs.uk type="cite"><PRE wrap="">These links give me a "failed to connect to documentum" error. What where
they supposed to indicate?
Regards: Colin Evans
NHS CFH Capability & Capacity
CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/">http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/</A>
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Cross [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="mailto:sites@thirdvisit.co.uk">mailto:sites@thirdvisit.co.uk</A>]
Sent: 10 August 2008 21:32
To: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</A>
Cc: <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:colin.evans@nhs.net">colin.evans@nhs.net</A>; Snorri Giorgetti
Subject: Re: [legal] Permission to use a modified OpenID logo
Dear Colin,
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">We would want to be sure that any use of an OpenID logo or other
identifiers was either within existing terms, or under an explicit
agreement. Can someone please come back to me to clarify whether we
can proceed within some element of your existing terms of use, or
whether this requires further discussions (and if so, who should we be
talking to?)
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!----><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818">http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866">http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866</A>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">non-commercial purposes) was quite open, however this thread-
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html">http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html</A> in the legal
archive seems to indicate that the trademark registration in the UK
will be far more restrictive. It specifically says that colours etc.
cannot be changed in the logo.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->Please do get in touch.
Best regards,
Mark Cross
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<A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:colin.evans@nhs.net">colin.evans@nhs.net</A> wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">OpenID Team,
I work within Connecting for Health, which is part of the UK National
Health Service. I.e. we are a non-profit government organisation.
I am currently working on a project where we are intending to use the
OpenID protocols to implement a "Restricted Domain" ID service.
Restricted means that only a specific set of web systems will be able
to connect to the ID server, and this server will talk to only those
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->clients.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">We would like to give due credit to OpenID. However we would also like
to avoid confusing users by implying that our service is an open "all
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->clients"
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">service like myOpenID.com, which it is not. Users would not be able to
use our IDs to log on to MySpace for example.
We were therefore considering using a modified version of the OpenID
logo (e.g. with changed colours) to identify our service. Initial
reading on the main OpenID.net web site indicated that use of names
and logos (for non-commercial purposes) was quite open, however this
thread- <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html">http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html</A> in
the legal archive seems to indicate that the trademark registration in
the UK will be far more restrictive. It specifically says that colours
etc. cannot be changed in the logo.
We would want to be sure that any use of an OpenID logo or other
identifiers was either within existing terms, or under an explicit
agreement. Can someone please come back to me to clarify whether we
can proceed within some element of your existing terms of use, or
whether this requires further discussions (and if so, who should we be
talking to?)
Regards: Colin Evans
NHS CFH Capability & Capacity
CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/">http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/</A>
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