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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
legal-bounces@openid.net [mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nat Sakimura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:26
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> david@sixapart.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> legal@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [legal] Copyright
status of OpenID Specs text itself</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi David, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It does not have to be GFDL, but the current OpenID License is rather
unfortunate because translation is out of the scope of the usage restriction of
the Specs. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>=nat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:01 AM, David Recordon <<a
href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hey Nat,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'll look into it, but we'll also need to ask all of the contributor's
if this is alright.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#888888" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#888888'>--David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Apr 12, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>If that is the case, I am fine with either XMPP license or GFDL without
cover pages, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For the time being, I am asking the translaters to assume GFDL, but
since there are only 5 or 6 involved yet, I could convert it to XMPP as well,
though I would have to find a Japanese version of XMPP :-) [I am right now
using modified GFDL created by Wikimedia foundation.] <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>My only request would be OIDF to add the license statement to the specs
etc. quickly so that it will be in time for our target finish date for the
first batch of the translations, which is April 24. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Nat<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Simon Josefsson <<a
href="mailto:simon@josefsson.org" target="_blank">simon@josefsson.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>"Nat Sakimura"
<<a href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>>
writes:<br>
<br>
> Yes indeed. I suppose we need to make them freely available. XMPP Style<br>
> permission is nice and liberal but I am not sure of the implication when
it<br>
> is applied to a translation project on wiki, since it looks it is possible<br>
> to make a partial translation of it and control it under the translator's<br>
> exclusive copyright. In case of GFDL it does not happen, because
derivative<br>
> work is also covered by GFDL.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As far as I can tell, the XMPP license requires you to retain the<br>
copyright notice and the license in all derivative works, so I don't<br>
believe that is a big problem. Translations could be licensed under<br>
some other license, as long as the requirements in the XMPP license are<br>
also fulfilled, but I don't see that as a problem.<br>
<br>
Using the GFDL would be fine by me though. Just make sure you don't add<br>
any invariant sections, or it won't be considered free from Debian's<br>
point of view.<br>
<font color="#888888"><span style='color:#888888'><br>
/Simon</span></font><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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> What would you think?<br>
><br>
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Simon Josefsson <<a
href="mailto:simon@josefsson.org" target="_blank">simon@josefsson.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> "Brian E. Lewis" <<a
href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net" target="_blank">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a>>
writes:<br>
>><br>
>> > As I understand it, you are only seeking to translate the specs
and<br>
>> related<br>
>> > documents. To my mind, this would be a significant benefit,
and the<br>
>> GFDL<br>
>> > would be ideal. Unfortunately, we did not put that language
in the<br>
>> > documents.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > We can either see about getting you permission or amending the
documents<br>
>> to<br>
>> > include appropriate GFDL language.<br>
>><br>
>> Placing the documents under a free license would be useful, so
consider<br>
>> this a +1 from me.<br>
>><br>
>> If the documents are not freely licensed, they cannot be included as<br>
>> documentation in many free software projects. That would be<br>
>> unfortunate.<br>
>><br>
>> FYI, compare with the license used by the XMPP Standards Foundation:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ipr-policy.shtml#legal"
target="_blank">http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ipr-policy.shtml#legal</a><br>
>><br>
>> That license was chosen after discussing with the community about<br>
>> licensing.<br>
>><br>
>> /Simon<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Brian E. Lewis, General Counsel<br>
>> ><br>
>> > =bike ( <<a href="http://xri.net/=bike" target="_blank">http://xri.net/=bike</a>>
<a href="http://xri.net/=bike" target="_blank">http://xri.net/=bike</a>)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ph. 206.774.9820<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cel. 206.910.6574<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Fax 206.407.3295<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net"
target="_blank">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a>> <a
href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net" target="_blank">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL WORK PRODUCT. This email message may be
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>> > read it. Please reply to the sender that you have received the
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > From: <a href="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">legal-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">legal-bounces@openid.net</a>]
On<br>
>> Behalf<br>
>> > Of Nat Sakimura<br>
>> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:40 AM<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:legal@openid.net" target="_blank">legal@openid.net</a><br>
>> > Subject: [legal] Copyright status of OpenID Specs text itself<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hello.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am running a translation project of OpenID Specs and IPR
documents.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To work on these document, I wanted to know what is the copyright
status<br>
>> of<br>
>> > those document.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Are they GFDL or something?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
>> > <a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > legal mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:legal@openid.net" target="_blank">legal@openid.net</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/legal" target="_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/legal</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
> <a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-- <br>
Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
<a href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/" target="_blank">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a>
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