<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">Hi Brian,<br><br>Thanks very much. This is very much appreciated. We can use all the help we can get on the legal front it seems to me.<br><br>cheers,<br>-bill<br><br><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Brian E. Lewis <brian.lewis@cordance.net><br>To: david@sixapart.com; Nat Sakimura <sakimura@gmail.com><br>Cc: legal@openid.net<br>Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:12:12 PM<br>Subject: Re: [legal] Copyright status of OpenID Specs text itself<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would think this would probably work provided that any
translation was required to include language along the lines of: “in the event
of any conflict between this translation and the original language version, the
original shall control.”</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If I can be of any assistance in moving this through or drafting
language for people to consider Dave, please let me know.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Brian</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Brian E. Lewis, General Counsel</span><span style="color: navy;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: navy;">=bike (<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://xri.net/=bike"><span style="color: blue;">http://xri.net/=bike</span></a>)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: navy;">Ph. 206.774.9820</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
legal-bounces@openid.net [mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Recordon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 21, 2008 12:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nat Sakimura<br>
<b>Cc:</b> legal@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [legal] Copyright status of OpenID Specs text itself</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey Nat,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'll look into it, but we'll also need to ask all of the
contributor's if this is alright.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--David</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 12, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If that is the case, I am fine with either XMPP license or
GFDL without cover pages, etc. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the time being, I am asking the translaters to assume
GFDL, but since there are only 5 or 6 involved yet, I could convert it to XMPP
as well, though I would have to find a Japanese version of XMPP :-) [I am right
now using modified GFDL created by Wikimedia foundation.] </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My only request would be OIDF to add the license statement
to the specs etc. quickly so that it will be in time for our target finish date
for the first batch of the translations, which is April 24. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Nat</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Simon Josefsson <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:simon@josefsson.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:simon@josefsson.org">simon@josefsson.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">"Nat Sakimura" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com">sakimura@gmail.com</a>> writes:<br>
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> Yes indeed. I suppose we need to make them freely available. XMPP Style<br>
> permission is nice and liberal but I am not sure of the implication when
it<br>
> is applied to a translation project on wiki, since it looks it is possible<br>
> to make a partial translation of it and control it under the translator's<br>
> exclusive copyright. In case of GFDL it does not happen, because
derivative<br>
> work is also covered by GFDL.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as I can tell, the XMPP license requires you to
retain the<br>
copyright notice and the license in all derivative works, so I don't<br>
believe that is a big problem. Translations could be licensed under<br>
some other license, as long as the requirements in the XMPP license are<br>
also fulfilled, but I don't see that as a problem.<br>
<br>
Using the GFDL would be fine by me though. Just make sure you don't add<br>
any invariant sections, or it won't be considered free from Debian's<br>
point of view.<br>
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/Simon</span></p>
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> What would you think?<br>
><br>
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Simon Josefsson <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:simon@josefsson.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:simon@josefsson.org">simon@josefsson.org</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> "Brian E. Lewis" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a>> writes:<br>
>><br>
>> > As I understand it, you are only seeking to translate the specs
and<br>
>> related<br>
>> > documents. To my mind, this would be a significant benefit,
and the<br>
>> GFDL<br>
>> > would be ideal. Unfortunately, we did not put that language
in the<br>
>> > documents.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > We can either see about getting you permission or amending the
documents<br>
>> to<br>
>> > include appropriate GFDL language.<br>
>><br>
>> Placing the documents under a free license would be useful, so
consider<br>
>> this a +1 from me.<br>
>><br>
>> If the documents are not freely licensed, they cannot be included as<br>
>> documentation in many free software projects. That would be<br>
>> unfortunate.<br>
>><br>
>> FYI, compare with the license used by the XMPP Standards Foundation:<br>
>><br>
>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ipr-policy.shtml#legal">http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/ipr-policy.shtml#legal</a><br>
>><br>
>> That license was chosen after discussing with the community about<br>
>> licensing.<br>
>><br>
>> /Simon<br>
>><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Brian E. Lewis, General Counsel<br>
>> ><br>
>> > =bike ( <<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://xri.net/=bike">http://xri.net/=bike</a>>
<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://xri.net/=bike">http://xri.net/=bike</a>)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Ph. 206.774.9820<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cel. 206.910.6574<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Fax 206.407.3295<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a>>
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:brian.lewis@cordance.net">brian.lewis@cordance.net</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > CONFIDENTIAL LEGAL WORK PRODUCT. This email message may be
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>> ><br>
>> > From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net">legal-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net">legal-bounces@openid.net</a>]
On<br>
>> Behalf<br>
>> > Of Nat Sakimura<br>
>> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:40 AM<br>
>> > To: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:legal@openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</a><br>
>> > Subject: [legal] Copyright status of OpenID Specs text itself<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Hello.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am running a translation project of OpenID Specs and IPR
documents.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > To work on these document, I wanted to know what is the copyright
status<br>
>> of<br>
>> > those document.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Are they GFDL or something?<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
>> > <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>> > legal mailing list<br>
>> > <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:legal@openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</a><br>
>> > <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/legal">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/legal</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.sakimura.org/en/">http://www.sakimura.org/en/</a></p>
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-- <br>
Nat Sakimura (=nat)<br>
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