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Bill<div><br></div><div>I am disappointed in the lack of community participation and public disclosures in creating these documents. I think we all want a standards creation process that is open, transparent and participatory -- we don't want standards that are forced through -- so it is ironic that the process to create an open process was not well executed.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div>I agree we need to finalize the IPR so that the Foundation can move forward, and think the IPR documents we have will "work" -- I just wish we had done a better job of following a process to create the process.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>-- Dick</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div>On 20-Dec-07, at 10:04 AM, Bill Washburn wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="font-family: 'bookman old style', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 10pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br>I feel it is now fully incumbent on us to be decisive and declare the IPR documents approved. Certainly now the Board would not be remiss to vote the IPR done and approved with nothing more to do beyond ensuring we get all the nitty-gritty details, like "legal contact" and such, clearly sorted out.<br><br>I also feel that we've made a supremely conscientious effort to keep the community informed and welcome to make any comments since last September when the substance of the IPR documents were made available for public vetting. From my perspective at least it seems evident the paucity of recent comments reflects a sense that all of this work was rather well received and digested some time ago by the community of interested observers. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Now it is time to take the Foundation public and announce we are officially ready to proceed.<br><br>cheers,<br>-bill<br><br><br><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick@sxip.com">dick@sxip.com</a>><br>To: Mike Jones <<a href="mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com">Michael.Jones@microsoft.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</a>; Scott Kveton <<a href="mailto:scott@kveton.com">scott@kveton.com</a>>; David Recordon <<a href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net">drummond.reed@cordance.net</a> Reed" <<a href="mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net">drummond.reed@cordance.net</a>>; Johannes Ernst <<a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us">jernst@netmesh.us</a>>; "<a href="mailto:gabe.wachob@amsoft.net">gabe.wachob@amsoft.net</a> Wachob" <<a href="mailto:gabe.wachob@amsoft.net">gabe.wachob@amsoft.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:sky@crucially.net">sky@crucially.net</a> Bergman" <<a href="mailto:sky@crucially.net">sky@crucially.net</a>>; "<a href="mailto:bill@oidf.org">bill@oidf.org</a> Washburn" <<a href="mailto:bill@oidf.org">bill@oidf.org</a>>; David Daggett <<a href="mailto:david.daggett@klgates.com">david.daggett@klgates.com</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:25:39 AM<br>Subject: Re: [legal] OpenID - Revised Drafts of IPR Policy and Process Document<br><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Darn, I started reviewing the document and got sidetracked. Glancing over the document, it looks complex, but generally in line with what we have discussed. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Ideally the IPR Committee would have posted the complete set of documents on the public site and announced them to the OpenID Community to get Community feedback.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I wonder about giving notice of formal votes: if a member has a "legal contact", notice is supposed to be sent there. Does this mean that postal mail is sent if it is a physical address? This could be very cumbersome for providing notice for votes</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-- Dick</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On 20-Dec-07, at 12:54 AM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div class="Section1" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Strangely, I’ve seen no comments on these drafts, either positive or negative. Does that mean that the OIDF board is ready to vote them final as is, that discussion is occurring in other forums, or that people have disengaged for the holidays and we’ve given up on finishing the IPR work this year?</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> -- Mike</span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Daggett, David [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david.daggett@klgates.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:david.daggett@klgates.com">mailto:david.daggett@klgates.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, December 16, 2007 11:27 PM<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID - Revised Drafts of IPR Policy and Process Document</span></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "> </div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b>PLEASE NOTE: You were BCC'd</b></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:legal@openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:legal@openid.net">legal@openid.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:scott@kveton.com">scott@kveton.com</a>; <a href="mailto:dick@sxip.com">dick@sxip.com</a>; <a href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>; <a href="mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net">drummond.reed@cordance.net</a>; <a href="mailto:jernst@netmesh.us">jernst@netmesh.us</a>; <a href="mailto:gabe.wachob@amsoft.net">gabe.wachob@amsoft.net</a>; <a href="mailto:sky@crucially.net">sky@crucially.net</a>; <a href="mailto:bill@oidf.org">bill@oidf.org</a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "></span></div><div style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; ">To all, revised drafts of the IPR Policy and Process document are attached. 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