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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>+1. I want to make sure that nothing in my
comments are construed as suggesting that we should delay the IPR
Policy/Process approval for one minute. In fact just the opposite – my comments
were aimed at items that in most cases should be relatively easy to fix, and
ideally could be incorporated into a final revision before the OpenID Foundation
board call tomorrow (which is what the OpenID Foundation board agreed to in our
last telecon early this month).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think Dick’s suggestion about OpenID
community voting on major decisions is a very interesting one, and one that in
spirit I am in favor of, because it is the most democractic of all. However it
will require enough additional infrastructure (and discussion) that I suggest
it be an evolutionary step that the OIDF and the community take together. I
believe that paragraph 5.4 of the current Process document (the amendment
paragraph) provides a clean way for us to take that step when we’re
ready.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>By all means, let’s not delay this
any further. Let’s do one final rev of these docs reflecting this
feedback (any other OIDF board member feedback?) ASAP and publish that for immediate
community revie and final approval at IIW.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
legal-bounces@openid.net [mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mike Jones<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 28, 2007
9:25 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Bill Washburn; Dick Hardt;
board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> David Daggett; David Daggett
(Preston Gates & Ellis); legal@openid.net; Bill Washburn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [legal] [OpenID
board] Feedback on latest drafts of OpenIDIPR Policy and Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I just spoke with Drummond on the phone.
He's suggesting two very reasonable process changes:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> - Recognize contributions posted to
official working group web sites and wikis<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> - Possibly increase the size of the
specs council from 5 to 7<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>He's also interested in being more
explicit about the reasons that the board could decide not to approve things.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If the board agrees with those changes,
I'm sure that the IPR policy working group members would also concur.
Thanks for the detailed read, Drummond!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also appreciate Bill's observation below
that we're now talking about only process changes, not changes to the IPR
policy itself.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>
-- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> legal-bounces@openid.net
[mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Bill Washburn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November 28, 2007
8:09 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Dick Hardt; board@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">legal@openid.net</st1:PersonName>;
Bill Washburn<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [legal] [OpenID
board] Feedback on latest drafts of OpenID IPR Policy and Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2
face="Bookman Old Style"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style"'>Scott,
Dick,<br>
<br>
It seems to me this is not being seen / interpreted in exactly the same way by
both of you. I take the suggestion from Dick as a proposal for how to
ensure that major decisions re Working Groups and such are based on community
input and that therefore such a mechanism ought to be incorporated into the
procedures of the IPR process document.<br>
<br>
This proposal that you, Scott, describe as "fantastic" is something
about which you are both in strong agreement. So far, so good, right?<br>
<br>
I think the confusion is that I don't read this suggestion as a change in the
procedure for how we come to closure on the IPR docs right now. After
all, as of today and until we complete this IPR effort there are in actuality
no members of the OIDF who could vote in the first place. I take Dick's
proposal as a solid suggestion for how to ensure the strong role of the OpenID
community in the major decisions regarding IPR process and not at all about how
we complete this effort to establish the OpenID IPR policy regime.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
-bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>----- Original Message ----<br>
From: Dick Hardt <dick@sxip.com><br>
To: board@openid.net<br>
Cc: <st1:PersonName w:st="on">legal@openid.net</st1:PersonName>; Bill Washburn
<bill@oidf.org><br>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:36:10 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [legal] [OpenID board] Feedback on latest drafts of OpenID IPR
Policy and Process<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28-Nov-07, at 7:19 AM, Scott Kveton wrote:<br>
<br>
>> I agree with Drummond's comments. I have not had time to review
the<br>
>> documents, and likely won't until late this week.<br>
>><br>
>> A suggestion I have around major decisions would be to put them <br>
>> out for<br>
>> referendum to members of the OIDF. We can use OpenIDs to
identity <br>
>> people and<br>
>> easily to electronic voting. This puts the power clearly in the <br>
>> hands of the<br>
>> community instead of in the hands of the board or spec council. <br>
>> Changes to<br>
>> the policy and final approval of specifications and potential <br>
>> approval of<br>
>> WGs could be done this way. The spec council and board could
take <br>
>> a position<br>
>> and make recommendation, but putting the major decisions in the <br>
>> hands of the<br>
>> community clearly empowers them and keeps the board and council from<br>
>> becoming an old boys network and leaving the membership feeling <br>
>> out of the<br>
>> loop.<br>
><br>
> I think this is a fantastic idea in the long-term but doesn't fit well<br>
> with the goals we've set out as a board to try and adopt the IPR (or<br>
> get as close as possible) by IIW.<br>
<br>
Is the goal to rubber stamp the IPR (primarily driven by large <br>
vendors) or to create an IPR that protects and empowers the <br>
community, which we as a board represent?<br>
<br>
I don't think there is a second chance to do the IPR.<br>
<br>
-- Dick<br>
<br>
<br>
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