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I agree with Drummond's comments. I have not had time to review the documents, and likely won't until late this week. <div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>A suggestion I have around major decisions would be to put them out for referendum to members of the OIDF. We can use OpenIDs to identity people and easily to electronic voting. This puts the power clearly in the hands of the community instead of in the hands of the board or spec council. Changes to the policy and final approval of specifications and potential approval of WGs could be done this way. The spec council and board could take a position and make recommendation, but putting the major decisions in the hands of the community clearly empowers them and keeps the board and council from becoming an old boys network and leaving the membership feeling out of the loop.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>-- Dick<br><div><br><div><div>On 28-Nov-07, at 1:34 AM, Drummond Reed wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Per the promise the OpenID Foundation board members made to review the latest drafts of the OpenID IPR docs as quickly as possible, here are my comments on the latest IPR Policy and Process docs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">First, on the IPR Policy doc, my detailed comments are in the attached Word version. The quick summary is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> I.1 does not account for any communication or contribution taking place on a wiki. As one of the OASIS Technical Committee chairs who pushed hard for OASIS to finally adopt wiki technology two years ago – and having used it ad nauseum since then – I personally would never want to develop specs without one. I’d like to see spec wikis added to both the Policy and Process docs so they are a peer with Mailing Lists as a communications tool for WGs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> I.13 contains the only remaining use (that I could find) of the term “OpenID”, which is not defined. I think this instance should be updated with a defined term.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> VI.1 does not explicitly mention the “reciprocal requirement opt-in form” that has now been drafted for a Contributor to designate that they requiring a reciprocal promise. It should probably be mentioned.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Second, on the Process document (<a href="http://openid.net/ipr/OpenID_IPR_Process_Document-Circulation_Draft_20071115.pdf">http://openid.net/ipr/OpenID_IPR_Process_Document-Circulation_Draft_20071115.pdf</a>): <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 2. One could argue that a 5-person Specs Council is too great a concentration of power. I’d opt to have at least 7, and would support it have as many members as the OpenID Board.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 3.3, 3.8 (and others): Although this doc does refer to a “Webpage”, the same comment above applies – I think a spec wiki (or a branch of a unified spec wiki) should be explicitly provisioned just like a mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 3.11 The second to last sentence has a reference error. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 4.1 This is purely editorial, but I think “Draft” should be capitalized just like “Implementer’s Draft” and “Final Specification”. It only confuses the issue not to have it capitalized (even if you want to intentionally “demote” it’s importance).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 5.3 IMHO this is the only really sticky paragraph in the document. It raises three issues. First, why does the Board have a final say above and beyond the WG and Specs Council? Is this really necessary? Secondly, why is the OpenID Foundation making a logo available to Contributors and not Implementers? Thirdly, the final paragraph states one grounds for withholding confirmation, but doesn’t state any others, leaving it entirely nebulous for what reasons the Board could veto a spec. It seems that, as with earlier in the spec, all possible reasons should be listed, and the Board must explicitly choose one or more.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">********<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">That’s all my comments. I urge all other OIDF board members to post any comments they may have prior to our board meeting this Thursday.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> <span><OpenID IPR Policy v 0 999 (Circulation Draft 20071115) DSR.doc></span><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">board mailing list</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="mailto:board@openid.net">board@openid.net</a></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a></div> </blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>