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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Dick –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> Your feedback has been brought
to the attention of the IPR task force, and I suspect it will generate a lot of
discussion! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> -Gabe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
legal-bounces@openid.net [mailto:legal-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 24, 2007
11:35 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> legal@openid.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [legal] Feedback on
OpenID IPR Policy and Process</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Feedback on OpenID IPR Policy<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2. “Contributions” mean any communication to or through a particular
Specification Mailing <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>List, or other textual materials, that are provided by a Contributor
and are intended for <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>inclusion in an OpenID Specification. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This is a little vague on the intention. If I post on my blog about
OpenID about where I think it should go, is that a Contribution? Who determines
if it was intended for inclusion?<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>3. “Contributor” means, with regard to a particular Work Group, any
person (individual, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>entity, or otherwise) who has signed the applicable agreement in
accordance with Section II. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1(b) and has joined such Work Group by requesting access to the
applicable Specification <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Mailing List and, if such person is an individual, includes such
person’s employer or other <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>person or entity to whom that person owes a duty with respect to
activities such as his or her <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>participation in OpenID. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Who or what is OpenID? "OpenID" is referenced a number of
times. It is not defined. Is it the community, the spec, the foundation? The
term is used in a number of different ways. I would suggest it only be used as
an adjective and each use be defined in the definitions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>(b) OpenID Contribution Agreement. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is this document the agreement? Is there a separate agreement? What is
to be signed and returned? I don't see any signature blocks.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Who is the agreement with? There is the Contributor and ???<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What jurisdiction is the agreement made in? Who enforces the agreement?
What happens if a Contributor breaks the agreement?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1. Becoming a Contributor. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>(d) Retroactive Effect. In consideration of OpenID allowing
any individual or entity to <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>become a Contributor, such individual or entity acknowledges that
Section V and VI of this <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Policy apply to any Contributions made before signing the OpenID
contribution agreement <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>or otherwise agreeing to the terms of this Policy. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How would these Contributions be determined? Would a post on ANY
OpenID mailing list be considered a Contribution?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div><span ref="" k_title="" \\*="">
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OpenID Process Document</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>---------------------------------------<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel1><a name=definitions><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1</span></font></b><span times="" new=""></a><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span class=apple-style-span><b><u><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Definitions</span></u></b></span><span class=apple-style-span><b><font
size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>.</span></font></b></span><span
class=apple-style-span><font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span></font></span>Each
of the following initially capitalized terms has the respective meaning stated
below. All other initially capitalized terms have the meanings assigned in
this OpenID Process Document (“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Processes</span></b>”),
in the OpenID Foundation’s IPR Policy (“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>IPR
Policy”), or in the Bylaws.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is this not the OpenID Process Document? Is that not the same as the
terms below?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Referring to the OpenID Foundation Bylaws as a source of definitions I
think is troublesome as the Bylaws can be modified, causing a potential change in
this document. I'd prefer to have all definitions in this document so that it
is complete. Is there a reason for spreading the definitions around?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>1.3“Bylaws” means the
then-current bylaws of the OpenID Foundation, as may be modified from
time </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=2
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>to time as provided
therein. </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I could not find the Bylaws for the Foundation online. A URL for the
Bylaws should be included (as well as getting them online!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1.5</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Editor(s)</span></b>”
means, for a particular Specification to be developed by a particular WG, the
individual Contributor(s) selected to coordinate development of, and
transcription of the work of the WG for, such Specification, as well as
(together with any other Editors for that WG) to administer WG operation.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How are Editors selected? What stops all Contributors from being
Editors?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1.6</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Specifications Council</span></b>”
means a group comprised of: (a) all past Editors of Final Specifications
who are still actively contributing to the OpenID community; (b) two
representatives from the Board (one of whom is the OpenID Foundation Executive
Director; and (c) all Editors from current WGs. Each Editor will
participate as a non-voting member of the Specifications Council until he or
she has published a Final Specification, at which time such Editor will become
a voting member.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What makes an Editor an actively contributing member? When is an Editor
removed? What is the rational for the OpenID Foundation to be involved in the
Specifications Council? Are those voting positions?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1.7</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Supermajority</span></b>”
means at least two-thirds of those entitled to vote on an issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What is the rational for needing a Supermajority?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>1.8</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>“<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Minimum Membership</span></b>”
means, five Contributors. For a new WG to be formed, at least one such
Contributor should optimally be a member of the Specifications Council.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What happens if there are no Contributors in a WG? Will it more likely
be rejected? What is the rational that there should be a member of the
Specifications Council?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel1><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2</span></font></b><span times="" new=""><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span class=apple-style-span><b><u><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Work Groups</span></u></b></span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>.</span></b><O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175330630"></a><a name=2.1></a><b><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.1<span
times="" new=""></span></font></b><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Proposal.</span></b>
Any group of at least Minimum Membership may form a WG by submitting a proposal
via the mailing list <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a>;
such proposal will include the following items, will be written in English, and
will be provided in a plain text electronic form:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><a name="_Ref175392874"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(a)</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>Charter</span></u></i></span>.
The proposal will include the WG Charter, which will include:<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(i)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>a WG name, which will not include trademarks not owned by
the OpenID Foundation or content that is infringing, harmful, or inappropriate,
and any acronym or abbreviation for that name;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(ii)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>a clear statement of purpose;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(iii)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>an
initial Scope, which must be related to the purpose of the OpenID community and
which will include a definition of what is and is not the envisioned “work” of
the WG;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(iv)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>a
proposed list of Specifications, including working titles, to be produced (and
any other deliverables) and projected completion dates;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(v)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>anticipated audience or users of the work;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(vi)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>the
language in which the WG will conduct business;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(vii)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>the
method of work including any virtual or planned face-to-face meetings;<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(viii)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font> a
basis for determining when the work of the WG is completed.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(b)</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>Background
Information</span></u></i></span>. The proposal will also include the
following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(i)</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>any related work being done in other WGs or organizations,
why the proposed new WG is necessary, and any proposed liaison with any such
other WGs or organizations;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><a name="_Ref175330072"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(ii)</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>the names, email addresses, and any Constituent
affiliations of at least the Minimum Membership who support forming the WG (“<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Proposers</span></b>”) and the proposed Editor(s); and<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel4><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(iii)</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font>optionally, a list of Contributions that the Proposers
anticipate will be made to the WG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175333071"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.2</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Review.</span></b> The
Specifications Council will review proposals within 15 days after receipt and
promptly provide notice to <a href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a>,
either accepting it or explaining the reason for rejection. If a proposal is
rejected, it may be modified and resubmitted. The reasons for rejection will
be limited to:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(a)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>an
incomplete Proposal (i.e., failure to comply with §2.1);<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(b)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>a
Supermajority decision that the proposal contravenes the OpenID community’s
purpose;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This seems potentially arbitrary. What if there is a proposal that the
Specifications Council does not like? This looks to be a source of politics.
Why not let WGs get started and put more judgement on the output?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(c)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>a
Supermajority determination that the proposed WG does not have sufficient
support to succeed or to deliver proposed deliverables within projected
completion dates; or<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Another potentially arbitrary decision point. Why not let the WG start
and see if it can complete?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(d)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font>a good-faith
determination that the proposal is likely to cause legal liability for the
OpenID Foundation or others (in which case, the Specifications Council may seek
Board review of the proposal).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name=2.3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.3</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>After Acceptance.</span></b>
Promptly after acceptance, a mailing list will be created for the WG and one or
more of the Proposers should notify <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a>
of the new WG. This notice will announce the formation of a new WG, invite
participation, and describe the WG’s proposed work, including any planned
meetings (as based on the approved Charter). The first obligation of a new WG
is to establish and approve its Scope, which should broadly describe the outer
limits of the WG’s work.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175343931"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.4</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Contributors.</span></b>
Only persons or entities that have properly agreed to the IPR Policy may become
Contributors to (or participate in) a WG. A WG may, however, make copies of
its Specification Mailing List, drafts, and other documents available for
review by non-members. A WG will not review or acknowledge comments by, or
accept Contributions from, anyone other than Contributors. The Specifications
Council may close a WG at any time that the WG has not had Minimum Membership
for six consecutive months.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How is Minimum Membership determined? Addresses susbcribed to the
mailing list? Or is it via a formal withdrawal.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.7<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Editors.</span></b> A
WG’s work is coordinated by one or more Editors, and each WG must have at least
one Editor and additional Editors may be selected at any time. Different
Editors in a WG may, however, be associated with different Specifications. If
an Editor takes emergency leave, or is otherwise unavailable, an additional
Editor will be selected. If a WG does not have an Editor, it will suspend work
until an Editor is selected. The Specifications Council may close a WG at any
time that it has not had an Editor for the immediately prior 30 days. An
Editor may also be removed at any time by the Contributors to the applicable
WG, under §2.16; or by the Specifications Council, on its own initiative or in
response to a complaint.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Per above, how are Editors selected?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175396402"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.16</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Decisions.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(a)</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>General</span></u></i></span>.
All decisions are either Core Decisions or Non-Core Decisions, and all
decisions may be made in meetings (e.g., face-to-face, telephonic, or
otherwise) or by email or other electronic means. Any decision that is not
clearly a Non-Core Decision will be treated as a Core Decision. “<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>Core Decision</span></b>” means a decision relating
directly to the WG’s substantive work, including those related directly to
Specification content, Charter, or Scope; to approve an Implementers Draft or a
Final Specification, or to adopt Errata (defined in §3.6); and to amend the
Charter or to re-charter the WG. “<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Non-Core
Decision</span></b>” means any decision other than a Core Decision, including
decisions on date, time, place, and method(s) of attending meetings and other
administrative details regarding WG operation or governance.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Moving Core Decision and Non-Core Decision definitions to the
Definitions section would make the document cleaner.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Is there a format for how decisions are presented? Who is responsible
for determining the results of a decision? If removing or adding an Editor a
Core decision or a Non-Core Decision? (S 2.6)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><a name="_Ref175388516"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(b)</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>Consensus</span></u></i></span>.
Consensus is a core value. To promote consensus, Editors should encourage
consideration and resolution of all legitimate comments of Contributors. All
WG decisions will optimally be made by determining consensus, without formal vote.
Editor(s) will assess consensus without a formal vote and, when a proposal is
pending, may interpret silence of those who have received proper notice (or who
are present) as assent. Consensus does not imply unanimity, although there
should be substantial support for consensus decisions. For Core Decisions,
consensus should reasonably reflect the opinion of a Supermajority of
Contributors to the applicable WG, after reasonable inquiry by the Editors.
For Non-Core Decisions, consensus should reflect the opinion of a majority of
Contributors actually expressing an opinion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>How is consensus determined? Is silence consent? Does one negative vote
mean there is no consensus?<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><a name="_Ref175401981"></a><a name="_Ref175388724"><b><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(c)<span
times="" new=""></span></font></b></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:
italic'>Formal Vote</span></u></i></span>. If a decision cannot be made by
consensus, the WG should defer decision until consensus can be reached. If
deferral would prejudice a WG’s work, however, the Editor(s) may call a formal
vote. Any such vote will otherwise be in accordance with §§4.6-4.9 of the
Bylaws, as applied to all Contributors (even if not OpenID Foundation members),
except as otherwise provided in this §2.16(c).<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would be much more comfortable if the Voting Process was defined in
this document. A change in the Bylaws voting which has to do with the
Foundation will now impact Voting in the IPR Process. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt' type=cite>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175377834"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>2.17<span
times="" new=""></span></font></b></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Closing a WG.</span></b>
A WG may be closed at any time by majority vote of all of its then-current
Contributors (or by Board resolution, for the reasons stated in these Processes
or otherwise if deemed necessary by the OpenID Foundation to avoid or mitigate
legal risk). The Board may also close a WG that has completed all deliverables
in its Charter and has not agreed to develop new deliverables within the 180
days before closure; or that has not reasonably progressed to achieve its
purpose, as defined by its Charter.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Why is the Board responsible for closing a WG?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175403144"><b><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>3.4</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>WG Decision.</span></b>
Approval of a draft as an Implementers Draft or the then-current Implementers
Draft as a Final Specification should be based on consensus. If the WG cannot
reach consensus, then the decision may be made by formal vote. The WG
Editor(s) will notify the WG of a determination that consensus has been reached
or of a call for (and results of) a formal vote. Any Implementers Draft or
Final Specification approved by the WG will include a list of Contributors who
participated in its development.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It is not clear that a Draft is approved by the WG, and only the WG. Is
this true?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So if a bunch of people that oppose a spec join as contributors, then a
spec will never be approved unless the Board steps in?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel1><a name="board_involvement"></a><a name="_Ref175451011"><b><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4<span
times="" new=""></span></font></b></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span class=apple-style-span><b><u><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Board Involvement</span></u></b></span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<O:P></O:P>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref175377902"></a><a name="_Ref175364379"></a><a
name="_Ref177452504"></a><a name=4.2></a><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4.1<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Delegation.</span></b>
The Board may delegate any of its obligations under these Processes (other than
creating subcommittees) to a subcommittee of Board members, OpenID Foundation
members, or both, and applicable terms in these Processes will then be deemed
to refer to the subcommittee instead of the Board.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><a name="_Ref177452509"></a><a name="_Ref175396595"><b><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4.2<span
times="" new=""></span></font></b></a><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Complaints; Appeals</span></b>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>(a)<span times="" new=""></span></font></b><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></span></font><span
class=apple-style-span><i><u><span style='font-style:italic'>General</span></u></i></span>.
On proper notice from a Contributor, the Board will consider any complaint
related to, or appeal of, any action taken (or alleged failure to act) related
to these Processes. The Board has authority to take any action it deems
necessary to remedy a complaint or appeal.<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So the implication of this is that the Board is the Final arbitrator
and can do whatever it wants?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel3><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>4.4</span></font></b><span times=""
new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Amendment.</span></b>
The Board may amend these Processes from time to time, in its sole discretion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Essentially the Board can make the specifications with this clause, as
anything can be changed by the Board.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=clauselevel2><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'><O:P></O:P>4.5</span></font></b><span
times="" new=""><font size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Decisions.</span></b>
All Boards decisions under this §4 will be made in accordance with the Bylaws.<O:P></O:P><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=clauselevel1><b><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-weight:bold'>5</span></font></b><span times="" new=""><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'>
</span></span></font><span class=apple-style-span><b><u><span style='font-weight:
bold'>Miscellaneous</span></u></b></span><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>.</span></b>
All notices and correspondence under these Processes will be by email. Unless
stated, or context requires, otherwise: (1) “written” or “in writing”
refers to a non-electronic document only, manually signed by authorized
representatives of the writing party(ies); (2) all internal references are
to these Processes; (3) “days” means “calendar days”; (4) “may” means
that the applicable actor has a right, but not a concomitant duty; and
(5) all decisions of the Board (or an Editor) under these Processes are in
the Board’s (or such Editor’s) reasonable discretion. Examples following
“including” or “e.g.” are not exhaustive (i.e., are interpreted to include the
words “without limitation”), unless qualified by words such as “only” or
“solely.” These Processes will be interpreted according to the plain meaning
of their terms. Section headings are for convenience only and will not affect
the meaning of any provision.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Where are written documents sent?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>General Feedback<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>1) Looking over the archives for Legal [1], I see nominal feedback from
the OpenID Community at large. This should cause concern.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>2) The OpenID Foundation is becoming a Standards Body. This is contrary
to the Charter of the Foundation. The Governance of the Foundation did not
anticipate being a Standards Body and the political implications of being a
Standards Body. As a participant in the formation of the Foundation, it was
very clear that we did NOT want the Foundation to be Standards Body. Will the
Foundation be responsible and liable for enforcing the IPR of all the specs?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>3) Many organizations will NOT use a standard that has not been
endorsed by a recognized Standards Body. While the OpenID Foundation could
lobby to be recognized, that will take time and fractures the market as
alternative standards must be selected where OpenID would be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Suggestion:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>The IPR for OpenID 2.0 needs to be cleaned up. Why not simply have the
Contributors to the existing specs that are almost final make non-assertion
statements and assign copyright, then move all further OpenID standards work
to, dare I say it, OASIS? The Foundation could join OASIS which would
allow any individual contributor that is a member of OASIS to participate.
As holder of the OpenID trademark, the Foundation would have an effective veto
on a standard being able to use the OpenID trademark -- but no control on the
development of specifications.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>- Dick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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