[legal] Permission to use a modified OpenID logo

Thu Aug 14 13:40:17 UTC 2008

Actually, avoiding user confusion is one of the main things we are trying to
achieve.

Our solution will be based upon OpenID protocols, but it will support a
closed set of systems, so the one thing somebody CAN'T do is use one of our
IDs to log in to (say) MySpace or Flickr. If the site says "OpenID", that
might well be confusing to someone aware of the general use case for OpenID.

One way of looking at this is the difference between a product brand like
Intel, and an "Intel Inside" or "Powered by AMD" logo.

Obviously we could avoid mentioning OpenID at all on our pages, and if we
can't find a mutually acceptable solution here that's what we will probably
do, but we would like to give OpenID some credit for their part in the
solution.

Is there a case for an "OpenID Inside" logo, with more flexibility around
it's use?

Regards: Colin Evans
         NHS CFH Capability & Capacity

CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at
http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/

  _____  

From: Mark Cross [mailto:sites at thirdvisit.co.uk] 
Sent: 13 August 2008 12:01
To: colin.evans at nhs.net
Cc: legal at openid.net; 'Snorri Giorgetti'
Subject: Re: [legal] Permission to use a modified OpenID logo

Dear Colin,

The IPO site must have been down :-(

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866
I own the text and device trademark for the UK - see links above.

My view is inline with the OpenID Foundation guidelines thus far:

http://wiki.openid2009.org/OpenID_Logo_Policy

>Note that no derivative of the OpenID logo can be published without prior
approval from the Foundation. 

Personally I am against derivative marks in principle. (Reason: brand
dilution and confusing to end users)

Although you do probably not intend to use the device logo outside the UK,
please could you ask the Foundation formally for their view?

If you can let me know their thoughts, I will perhaps adjust mine.

Please remember that is my intention to hand over the trademark's at some
stage, but there are few issues to work through at the moment.

Cheers Mark

colin.evans at nhs.net wrote: 

These links give me a "failed to connect to documentum" error. What where

they supposed to indicate?

Regards: Colin Evans

         NHS CFH Capability & Capacity

CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at

http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/ 

-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Cross [mailto:sites at thirdvisit.co.uk] 

Sent: 10 August 2008 21:32

To: legal at openid.net

Cc: colin.evans at nhs.net; Snorri Giorgetti

Subject: Re: [legal] Permission to use a modified OpenID logo

Dear Colin,

We would want to be sure that any use of an OpenID logo or other 

identifiers was either within existing terms, or under an explicit 

agreement. Can someone please come back to me to clarify whether we 

can proceed within some element of your existing terms of use, or 

whether this requires further discussions (and if so, who should we be 

talking to?)

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2463818

http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2447866

non-commercial purposes) was quite open, however this thread- 

http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html in the legal 

archive seems to indicate that the trademark registration in the UK 

will be far more restrictive. It specifically says that colours etc. 

cannot be changed in the logo.

Please do get in touch.

Best regards,

Mark Cross

--

http://www.openid.co.uk/

http://webwhois.nic.uk/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?query=thirdvisit.co.uk

colin.evans at nhs.net wrote:

OpenID Team,

I work within Connecting for Health, which is part of the UK National 

Health Service. I.e. we are a non-profit government organisation.

I am currently working on a project where we are intending to use the 

OpenID protocols to implement a "Restricted Domain" ID service. 

Restricted means that only a specific set of web systems will be able 

to connect to the ID server, and this server will talk to only those

clients.

We would like to give due credit to OpenID. However we would also like 

to avoid confusing users by implying that our service is an open "all

clients"

service like myOpenID.com, which it is not. Users would not be able to 

use our IDs to log on to MySpace for example.

We were therefore considering using a modified version of the OpenID 

logo (e.g. with changed colours) to identify our service. Initial 

reading on the main OpenID.net web site indicated that use of names 

and logos (for non-commercial purposes) was quite open, however this 

thread- http://openid.net/pipermail/legal/2008-March/000129.html in 

the legal archive seems to indicate that the trademark registration in 

the UK will be far more restrictive. It specifically says that colours 

etc. cannot be changed in the logo.

We would want to be sure that any use of an OpenID logo or other 

identifiers was either within existing terms, or under an explicit 

agreement. Can someone please come back to me to clarify whether we 

can proceed within some element of your existing terms of use, or 

whether this requires further discussions (and if so, who should we be 

talking to?)

Regards: Colin Evans

         NHS CFH Capability & Capacity

CONNECT DISCOVER SHARE eSpace today at 

http://www.espace.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/

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