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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I propose to add some id-related functionality to the window object and have blogged about it here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://ignisvulpis.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-those-nascars.html">http://ignisvulpis.blogspot.com/2011/03/all-those-nascars.html</a> and some other posts around that time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The basic idea is to add some code like this to the RP’s pages:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>function onLoad() {<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal> if (window.openid) { <o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> window.openid.getPreferredOpenidProvider(callback);<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal> } else {<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> // show the NASCAR or whatever<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> }<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>}<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The acceptable Idp could be a parameter to the </span>getPreferredOpenidProvider method but most OC accept any OpenID anyway…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The addon that implements this is here: <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/openid-for-firefox/">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/openid-for-firefox/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It learns your openid too by looking for id_res in a server response.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Axel<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net [mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Francisco Corella<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> Markus Sabadello; Chris Messina<br><b>Cc:</b> OpenID General; Karen Lewison<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Markus:<br><br>OpenID Selector is not a solution to the NASCAR problem, it is the<br>NASCAR problem itself. It's a good example of what I'm trying to<br>avoid.<br><br>Everybody:<br><br>Before telling me that what I'm proposing has been done before, please<br>read what I'm proposing. Or if that takes too much effort, please<br>consider this: in my solution, the relying party displays a single<br>button "Login with OpenID". The user clicks on the button and is<br>automagically redirected to her preferred OpenID provider, even if the<br>relying party has never heard of it.<br><br>Hint: if you want to criticize this, you could criticize the fact<br>that it requires an ad-hoc HTTP header, and ad-hoc HTML tag, and new<br>browser functionality. Messieurs les Anglais, tirez les premiers.<br><br>Francisco<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com><br><b>To:</b> Chris Messina <chris.messina@gmail.com> <br><b>Cc:</b> Francisco Corella <fcorella@pomcor.com>; OpenID General <openid-general@lists.openid.net>; Karen Lewison <kplewison@pomcor.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:41 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv60167074><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Yes this has existed before.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>At the OpenID Summit in Nov 2009, this was called "OpenID Selector", and then later "Active Client".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Mike Jones did a demo of an OpenID-enabled version of CardSpace that could remember your OpenIDs and allowed one-click login.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>And myself, I did a demo of the Higgins equivalent.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Here are some old slides and info:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>http://wiki.openid.net/w/page/12995207/2009%20OpenID%20Summit <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Markus<br>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org/<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>PDEC: http://personaldataecosystem.org/<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Chris Messina <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br>On Monday, February 13, 2012, Francisco Corella <<a href="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com" target="_blank">fcorella@pomcor.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Chris,<br>><br>>> You may also be interested in some of the Social Agent work I did with<br>>> Mozilla around baking identity into the browser:<br>>><br>>> http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/<br>>> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/<br>><br>> Thanks for link. Interesting. I agree that there are similarities.<br>> In particular, your Activate step is similar to setting an identity<br>> provider as the default in my scheme.<br>><br>>> So long as choice of IDP is something that you want to provide the<br>>> user, something like the NASCAR, a search box, or an email field will<br>>> still be necessary to help them get started.<br>><br>> No. A solution based on a cookie set by relying party to remember<br>> what identity provider has been used on a previous visit would need<br>> something to "get started". <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Right, I'm asking about the first time visit. Not about a re-visit. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>> But in my solution the <idp> element<br>> tells the relying party what identity provider the user wants to use<br>> even if the user has never visited the relying party before.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I believe this was a feature of CardSpace/Infocard. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br>><br>> Francisco<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Chris Messina <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: Francisco Corella <<a href="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com" target="_blank">fcorella@pomcor.com</a>>; Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>><br>> Cc: OpenID General <<a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>>; Karen Lewison <<a href="mailto:kplewison@pomcor.com" target="_blank">kplewison@pomcor.com</a>><br>> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:52 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [OpenID] One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem<br>><br>> You may also be interested in some of the Social Agent work I did with Mozilla around baking identity into the browser:<br>> <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/</a><br>> <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/</a><br>> So long as choice of IDP is something that you want to provide the user, something like the NASCAR, a search box, or an email field will still be necessary to help them get started.<br>><br>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Dick Hardt <<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Not really a new idea -- but nice to see people are still thinking about things.<br>> Challenges:<br>> How do you deal with the user getting a new machine? Is there a way to sync IDPs or does the user need to log into all the IDPs on a new machine before they can log into sites?<br>> How does this degrade for browsers that do not support storing the IDP (i.e., all the existing browsers out there)?<br>> -- Dick<br>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Francisco Corella wrote:<br>><br>> FYI:<br>> One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem, blog post at<br>> http://pomcor.com/2012/02/13/one-click-openid-a-solution-to-the-nascar-problem/<br>> Comments welcome.<br>><br>> Francisco<br>><br>> Francisco Corella, PhD<br>> Founder & CTO, Pomcor<br>> Twitter: @fcorella<br>> Blog: http://pomcor.com/blog/<br>> Web site: http://pomcor.com<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> general mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">general@lists.openid.net</a><br>> http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> general mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">general@lists.openid.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Chris Messina<br>> User Experience Designer, Google<br>><br>> //<a href="http://chrismessina.me" target="_blank">chrismessina.me</a> | + | @chrismessina<br>> This email is: [ ] shareable [</span><span style='font-family:"MS Mincho";color:black'>✔</span><span style='color:black'>] ask first [ ] private<br>><br>><br>><br><br>-- <br>Chris Messina<br>User Experience Designer, Google<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://chrismessina.me" target="_blank">//chrismessina.me</a> | <a href="https://plus.google.com/102034052532213921839" target="_blank">+</a> | <a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target="_blank">@chrismessina</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>This email is: [ ] shareable [</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:#333333'>✔</span><span style='color:black'>] ask first [ ] private<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>general mailing list<br><a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">general@lists.openid.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></body></html>