<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Markus:<br><br>OpenID Selector is not a solution to the NASCAR problem, it is the<br>NASCAR problem itself. It's a good example of what I'm trying to<br>avoid.<br><br>Everybody:<br><br>Before telling me that what I'm proposing has been done before, please<br>read what I'm proposing. Or if that takes too much effort, please<br>consider this: in my solution, the relying party displays a single<br>button "Login with OpenID". The user clicks on the button and is<br>automagically redirected to her preferred OpenID provider, even if the<br>relying party has never heard of it.<br><br>Hint: if you want to criticize this, you could criticize the fact<br>that it requires an ad-hoc HTTP header, and ad-hoc HTML tag, and new<br>browser functionality. Messieurs les Anglais, tirez les premiers.<br><br>Francisco<br><span
class="tab"></span><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Markus Sabadello <markus.sabadello@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Chris Messina <chris.messina@gmail.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Francisco Corella <fcorella@pomcor.com>; OpenID General <openid-general@lists.openid.net>; Karen Lewison <kplewison@pomcor.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 14, 2012 2:41 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID] One-Click OpenID: A
Solution to the NASCAR Problem<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id="yiv60167074">Yes this has existed before.<div>At the OpenID Summit in Nov 2009, this was called "OpenID Selector", and then later "Active Client".</div><div>Mike Jones did a demo of an OpenID-enabled version of CardSpace that could remember your OpenIDs and allowed one-click login.</div>
<div>And myself, I did a demo of the Higgins equivalent.</div><div>Here are some old slides and info:</div><div>http://wiki.openid.net/w/page/12995207/2009%20OpenID%20Summit </div>
<div><br></div><div>Markus<br>-- <br><div>Project Danube: http://projectdanube.org/</div><div>PDEC: http://personaldataecosystem.org/</div>
</div><div><div class="yiv60167074gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="yiv60167074gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Chris Messina <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="yiv60167074gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="yiv60167074im"><br><br>On Monday, February 13, 2012, Francisco Corella <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com">fcorella@pomcor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Chris,<br>><br>>> You may also be interested in some of the Social Agent work I did with<br>
>> Mozilla around baking identity into the browser:<br>>><br>>> http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/<br>>> http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/<br>
><br>> Thanks for link. Interesting. I agree that there are similarities.<br>> In particular, your Activate step is similar to setting an identity<br>> provider as the default in my scheme.<br>><br>>> So long as choice of IDP is something that you want to provide the<br>
>> user, something like the NASCAR, a search box, or an email field will<br>>> still be necessary to help them get started.<br>><br>> No. A solution based on a cookie set by relying party to remember<br>
> what identity provider has been used on a previous visit would need<br>> something to "get started". <br><br></div>Right, I'm asking about the first time visit. Not about a re-visit. <br><div class="yiv60167074im">
<br>> But in my solution the <idp> element<br>
> tells the relying party what identity provider the user wants to use<br>> even if the user has never visited the relying party before.<br><br></div>I believe this was a feature of CardSpace/Infocard. <br><div><div>
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> Francisco<br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Chris Messina <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>><br>> To: Francisco Corella <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:fcorella@pomcor.com">fcorella@pomcor.com</a>>; Dick Hardt <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: OpenID General <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>>; Karen Lewison <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kplewison@pomcor.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kplewison@pomcor.com">kplewison@pomcor.com</a>><br>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:52 PM<br>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem<br>><br>> You may also be interested in some of the Social Agent work I did with Mozilla around baking identity into the browser:<br>> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/">http://factoryjoe.com/social-agent/</a><br>
> <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/">http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2010/03/12/the-social-agent-part-2-connect/</a><br>> So long as choice of IDP is something that you want to provide the user, something like the NASCAR, a search box, or an email field will still be necessary to help them get started.<br>
><br>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Dick Hardt <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Not really a new idea -- but nice to see people are still thinking about things.<br>
> Challenges:<br>> How do you deal with the user getting a new machine? Is there a way to sync IDPs or does the user need to log into all the IDPs on a new machine before they can log into sites?<br>> How does this degrade for browsers that do not support storing the IDP (i.e., all the existing browsers out there)?<br>
> -- Dick<br>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Francisco Corella wrote:<br>><br>> FYI:<br>> One-Click OpenID: A Solution to the NASCAR Problem, blog post at<br>> http://pomcor.com/2012/02/13/one-click-openid-a-solution-to-the-nascar-problem/<br>
> Comments welcome.<br>><br>> Francisco<br>><br>> Francisco Corella, PhD<br>> Founder & CTO, Pomcor<br>> Twitter: @fcorella<br>> Blog: http://pomcor.com/blog/<br>
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