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<p class="MsoNormal">But this level of white listing doesnt seem to me to be as
"Open" as it could be. We had a similar situation before OpenID
with passport. What about the smaller players that took the time to adopt
OPenID but are getting serially excluded, or even someone wanting to host there
own profile?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">OPs have to make their case to RPs
and end users about why they should be included. The OIDF can’t
force RPs to accept general purpose OpenIDs from any OP. Many content and
community websites do accept the general OpenID type in box, but a lot of the
major media and retail sites don’t see the value yet, so are going with a
list of specific OPs who bring them value.<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">is any part of the OpenID vision still involved with driving
decentralization of the web, or have business considerations largely taken
over?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The vision is still there, but the
market realities of what it takes to get adoption are driving things.
When we met with 15 or so media companies in NYC for the Content Provider
Advisory Committee almost two years ago, they told us point blank that the type
in box wasn’t going to work for them. They wanted a button and brands
that consumers were comfortable with. They wanted data from the OPs –
name, email address, zip code, age, gender, etc. Google, Yahoo, AOL, MySpace,
Flickr, Blogger, etc. were the brands and services that mattered most at the
time. Now Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Microsoft LiveID are also important
to many RPs. PayPal, Telcos, ISPs, banks, cable operators, etc. may also
enter the market. If smaller OPs want to have a place in the market, they
need to earn it, just like a new airline or phone company would. There
will be RPs who value and benefit from accepting thousands of individual OPs,
but it may not be the major websites, at least initially.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Melvin Carvalho
[mailto:<a href="mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com">melvincarvalho@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brian Kissel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:nathan@webr3.org">nathan@webr3.org</a>; Lukas Rosenstock; <a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Seven sites you didn't know were using OpenID</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21 September 2010 19:25, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p>You are correct, many websites choose to accept only the major OpenID
providers (Google, Yahoo, AOL, MySpace, etc.) plus Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn,
Microsoft LiveID. The reason is that, from their experience so far, they
have better success rates with large branded OPs than smaller, less well known
ones. At least in the US today, consumers prefer to "click a button"
instead of typing in an OpenID URL. And the major OPs cover a wide swath
of most RPs members/customers/users, so the incremental benefit for allowing
access to any OP isn't compelling enough for many RPs.</p>
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<p>Janrain Engage, for example, supports direct OpenID as seen here at NPR, but
it’s up to our clients to determine if they want to offer it or
not. If we want more RPs to highlight OpenID, not just the major OPs, we
need to create a compelling business case for them to do it. Right now
they feel that they can get all the benefits they need with 6 to 12 major ID
providers. If/when additional providers enter the market with compelling
value propositions for RPs and end users, then the UX may need to evolve.
InCommons/Shibboleth is wrestling with that issue right now.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Also, if/when the OpenID brand means something to RPs and end users beyond
the open standard technology that powers services from some major OPs, then RPs
might be more inclined to utilize/promote the brand. The certification
work that OIX is doing may help with this. The CX work that Nat Sakimura
and others are working on may help.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If the OpenID community wants to see more RP support for the OpenID brand
(separate from adopting the technology), then we need to earn that support with
compelling value for RPs and end users.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This makes complete sense from, a business point of
view. <br>
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But this level of white listing doesnt seem to me to be as "Open" as
it could be. We had a similar situation before OpenID with
passport. What about the smaller players that took the time to adopt
OPenID but are getting serially excluded, or even someone wanting to host there
own profile?<br>
<br>
is any part of the OpenID vision still involved with driving decentralization
of the web, or have business considerations largely taken over?</p>
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<p>Cheers, Brian</p>
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<p>Brian Kissel, CEO, Janrain, Inc.</p>
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From: <a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Nathan<br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 8:18 AM<br>
To: Lukas Rosenstock<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Seven sites you didn’t know were using OpenID</p>
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<p>how can an openid implementation not support openid? confusing.</p>
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<p>Lukas Rosenstock wrote:</p>
<p>> Most of them have it ... but I couldn't find it on Slurpee, Kodak and
Slate.</p>
<p>> </p>
<p>> 2010/9/21 Melvin Carvalho <<a href="mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com" target="_blank">melvincarvalho@gmail.com</a>></p>
<p>> </p>
<p>>> I think i you scroll to the bottom you'll see a way to login with
your</p>
<p>>> OpenID. On some widgets you may have to click a 'more' button
then you'll</p>
<p>>> get a chance to login with your OpenID. Id be surprised if it
was omitted</p>
<p>>> completely.</p>
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