I think you hit the nail on head David. I came to OpenID relatively very recently (march 2009). My greatest frustration with OpenID was the "silent majority". Why were these people so silent? I have a few questions on this subject.<div>
1) Are these people so frustrated with OpenID that they couldn't care less?</div><div>2) Are these people silent because they don't want to be seen going against the "majority opinion"? In that case what is the majority opinion?</div>
<div>3) I can accept the fact that people employed with corporations, will be tied down to their corporate policies. But where are the independent members? Who can speak their mind out?</div><div>These questions have really puzzled and frustrated me in the last few months.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 8:36 PM, David Fuelling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sappenin@gmail.com">sappenin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Do these "direct reminders" go directly do members' email addresses, and where are they sent from? My gmail filters pretty much everything with an "<a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank">openid.net</a>" domain into various Opend-related buckets (tags that aren't in my inbox), and depending on my workload, I may only read OpenID related information every week or two (sometimes its worse). <br>
<br>Anyway, it's possible that official openid emails are not hitting inboxes on purpose because many OIDF members do not read OIDF messages every day due to filters.<br><br>Maybe a reason to extend the vote?<br><font color="#888888"><br>
david</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Brian Kissel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank">bkissel@janrain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Don and John, can we send out another reminder to all members?
For those of you who know someone who is a member but hasn’t been active, can
you encourage them to vote ASAP! Can we extend the voting period so we don’t
end another cycle without sufficient participation?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy">Cheers,</span></p>
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Brian</span></p><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy">___________</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/10/254" target="_blank">Brian Kissel</a></span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy">CEO, JanRain - </span></b><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(51, 51, 153)">WebID and Social Publishing
for User Engagement</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy"></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy">Email</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:navy">: <a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:navy">bkissel@janrain.com</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt">
<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nat
Sakimura<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SitG Admin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>; Don Thibeau (OIDF ED)</span></p><div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] URGENT Critical Vote needed now!</div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi. </p><div><div></div><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An authoritative answer should come from the secretariat,
but here is what I understand: </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The quorum is the greater of the 30% of the entire
membership or 30. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since we seem to have 338 active members, that means 102
votes. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Among it, we have to achieve majority of the vote + super
majority of the entire board. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right now, only 58 votes has been cast, so we have significant
shortage of the vote. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FYI, to start a WG right now, we need 68 votes, so if we
only get a current level of participation, we will not be able to spin out a
WG, which means we are dead as a standardization forum. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I urge everybody to vote. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">=nat</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:51 AM, SitG Admin <<a href="mailto:sysadmin@shadowsinthegarden.com" target="_blank">sysadmin@shadowsinthegarden.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is to alert all that we have a significant shortfall in
the vote re:<br>
the IPR process. Votes are needed now.<br>
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Many members may not be aware of the very high bar set for changes of this<br>
sort.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You need something like a majority of all *possible* voters,
not those who actually vote? It almost sounds like a passive DoS attack, then -
just pay and forget to stall the voting process for that year.<br>
<br>
-Shade</p>
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