<div>(bcc: Santosh, because I think that it's only fair to tell someone when talking about them on a public list)</div><div><br></div>My posting of user stats to the list was one of the proximate triggers for the behavior that led to the banning. I had honestly hoped that it would be viewed as constructive, objective, data-driven feedback, and I'm sorry Santosh didn't take it that way. At the same time, he owns his own words, his response was over the top, not acceptable, and far from the first offense. <div>
<br></div><div>To be clear, I've been flamed and verbally attacked far worse in the past, even on technical mailing lists, and I mostly ignore it. However, I'm more concerned about the negative impact his postings have on the productivity and overall tone of this and other lists.<div>
<br></div><div>I think that he has many interesting ideas and energy and I wish and hope he will be a productive member of this technical community in the future. I do believe that people should receive a firm warning that their behavior is unacceptable before the boom is lowered; I know that he has gotten messages off-list about this, but I don't know whether he got a clear warning or not. I do know that there were on-list efforts to set expectations for civil discourse and he didn't take those hints.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, I'm not sure if I agree with David's exact verdict, but I very much support that an admin/moderator take action in this and similar cases. I do believe though that justice should both be done and be seen to be done, and I don't think it was in this case. That troubles me and I hope we can rectify it.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddy_nigg@startcom.org">eddy_nigg@startcom.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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On 11/30/2009 06:32 PM, Brian Kissel:
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Thanks to everyone for sharing their input so far. Please do send me your thoughts directly and let's keep it off the list at this point.</pre>
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Why? This concerns all participants, I feel that taking it off-line
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