<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On 2009-11-29, at 8:31 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Dick Hardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>On 2009-11-29, at 8:05 PM, DeWitt Clinton wrote:</div><div><div><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite">It's not fair to single out David for that action.</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<div><br></div><div>I, for one, wholeheartedly supported it. Asked for it, actually.</div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I hope that David interprets my comments as constructive criticism. It has been a delight to see David develop as strong leader of the community over the years. I understood David is the one that wielded the axe.</div>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Don't worry, even though I disagree with you I'm not misinterpreting your comments. And thanks.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><phew!></div><div><br></div><div>I may have done the same thing if I had been in your shoes. Having been relatively passive on the list lately, I have a different perspective.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: auto; ">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div><div><div class="im"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I'm also boggled why people are arguing <i>against</i> asking people to leave when they cross the line and start attacking other people.</div>
</blockquote></div>Asking people to leave, and kicking them out are two very different actions.</div><div><br></div><div>Banning someone is the simple solution.</div><div><br></div><div>Turning Santosh into a constructive, respectful contributor is the ideal I would strive for. Would you not agree?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes and I feel like I and others have tried doing this multiple times over the past six months. I've directly sent him emails off of the list when I first noticed this sort of behavior in addition to replying to multiple inappropriate comments of his on the list as well. The simple solution would have been to have banned him months ago; that's not what we did.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>To start with, apologies for jumping midway into a topic. I saw a flurry of traffic, and after reading the thread, was concerned that the action was NOT in the best interest of the community.</div><div><br></div><div>From my understanding, Santosh was NOT warned that he would be banned from the list if he continued his behaviour. Is that correct? If so, </div></div></div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div>I considered moderating all of his posts for approval instead of banning him from this list for a month, but logistically it didn't seem plausible. If you're willing to review and moderate all of his posts I'm more than happy to set you up to do that. I just know that I couldn't commit to doing that in a timely fashion.</div>
</div></blockquote></div><div><br></div>If that what we need to do so that Santosh can participate productively, then, sure, I will do that if there is rough consensus with everyone.<br><div><br></div><div>Suggestion: in IETF WG there is the role of the chair. Perhaps we should elect chairs for the mail lists? Separate from admins. (may be the same person, but different hats)</div><div><br></div><div>-- Dick</div></body></html>