I like the list of rules you mentioned, and I think adopting a set of rules and publishing them is a good idea.<div><br></div><div>(violations: I'm cross-posting in this reply I suppose)<br clear="all">--<br>Andrew Arnott<br>
"I [may] not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - S. G. Tallentyre<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:08 PM, David Recordon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I agree that we should write up policies/rules/guidelines for the OpenID mailing lists. Chris Messina started a thread about doing so (<a href="http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/2009-November/004399.html" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-board/2009-November/004399.html</a>) a few days ago which I support!<div>
<br></div><div>Even if they were never written down, we all know what is and is not appropriate behavior on this sort of mailing list and face to face at events like IIW. Flaming people and personal insults have no place on this list or within this community.</div>
<div><br></div><div><a href="http://microformats.org/mailinglists-policies" target="_blank">http://microformats.org/mailinglists-policies</a> is a pretty good policy which we could just adopt.</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#888888">--David</font><div>
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Dave CROCKER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dhc2@dcrocker.net" target="_blank">dhc2@dcrocker.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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It's not like Santosh acting in this manner just started yesterday.<br>
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Frequently, the importance of proper procedure is for those doing the enforcement, not for those on the receiving end of it. So in a very basic way, it does not matter what his history has been. What matters is the history of the list's management.<br>
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The list has had no rules. The list has had no history of enforcement.<br>
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By definition, therefore, any immediate decision to banish someone is capricious,made more so by being an individual's decision. It does not matter whether you or I or anyone else happen to agree (or disagree) that the banished participant went too far. What matters is that there were no established criteria and procedures for taking action against them.<br>
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Perhaps my understand of this list is wrong and it really is meant to function at the whimsy of one or a few individuals. There's nothing wrong with such lists -- as long as participants understand the model. But I have had the impression that this is meant to function more as a "community" list. If it is, then it requires community rules.<br>
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Were the individual's actions causing what the US Supreme Court called "clear and present danger", then it's fine to do whatever is necessary to remove the threat.<br>
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But of course, that's not the issue here. Distracting, yes. Dangerous, no.<br>
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Due process requires first establishing the process.<br>
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Only after that can the process be applied.<br>
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Dave Crocker<br>
Brandenburg InternetWorking<br>
<a href="http://bbiw.net" target="_blank">bbiw.net</a><br>
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