<div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> On 11/30/2009 04:50 AM, Dick Hardt:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div class="im">
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<pre>I would propose that we adopt the Microformats policy except for #16 (and number them!), allow Santosh back on the list, apologize for banning him, and direct him at the new policy and ask that he (and others) comply.
</pre></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div>Eddy replied: </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Dick, myself am not famous for overly diplomatic tones sometimes, but
calling somebody a stupid, idiotic, prejudiced human being, warrants
some actions in my opinion. That the list should even apologize to the
offender seems to me ridiculous. If the participants don't value
themselves and their dignity, they deserve none.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+~1 to Eddy. I don't think we should return injury for injury. Everyone should be treated with respect IMO. But those who refuse to treat others with respect don't need to be privileged by the community with a medium by which their disrespect can be more easily transmitted. <div>
<br></div><div>Dick also said:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
I disagree with removing Santosh from the mail list. I prefer a fully inclusive community.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Wanting a fully inclusive community, but in which community personal attacks are allowed, is a paradox IMO. I think what we want here is a useful forum in which many viewpoints on OpenID-related issues can be discussed. We lose that when personal attacks threaten to encourage respectful people with good ideas to leave the mailing list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dick again:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
While I can empathize with the frustration of someone not being what we consider respectful, </blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'll be bold enough to say it was <i>very </i>disrespectful. To say merely that "someone might not consider Santosh's comments to be respectful" is an insult to those he flamed IMO. This isn't really a correction to your words, Dick, as it looks from context that you were speaking of the general danger of this rather than this specific case.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I actually wasn't offended at Santosh's attack on me, because it was obvious to me he spoke in the heat of the moment. However if we really want this "all inclusive <i>of ideas</i>" community, it's very important that people don't attack others personally when they don't like the ideas that those others are sharing. </div>
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