HOGWASH<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Chris Messina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">There are both structural as well as cultural issues here that cannot be merely ignored, or tilted at with the expectation of change.<div>
<br></div><div>While I'm sympathetic to the idea of "One OpenID Foundation", in practice, geo-colocated groups tend to work together more in a more capable, agile manner, and have the benefit of understand local politics, priorities, and momentum. </div>
<div><br></div><div>For example, while I won't suggest that the work being done with the US Federal Government represents the final answer when it comes to any government's adoption or use of the technology, I do think that the outcomes represent a more American approach to identity management (i.e. outsource it to private companies) than one that would, say, be popular in Europe.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Therefore, in order to make progress, especially as this effort is still young, I would be interested in seeing parallel developments or implementations of the technology that reflect localized perspectives — in order to flesh out the various use cases and applications and limitations of what we have — rather than trying to assume that the OpenID 2.0 spec is complete (and I don't mean that it needs more features — but that it needs better documentation, better interaction models, and better use case descriptions, as well as more research into its use — technology is easy to create, it's harder to take it away later).</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm all for centralizing things like IP management, branding, messaging, and the more public outreachy aspects of the brand and foundation, but I can tell you that those things will likely fall in the laps of those on the West Coast, once again, because it's easy for that to happen. I think Nat has been doing an impressive job pushing OpenID forward in Japan, but if he had to wait on a central body — again, which a preponderance of representation from the West Coast — I don't know that he'd be making as much progress — as it is, he's been trying to push forward various proposals with little help from anyone — let alone the concentrated group on the West Coast.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If I saw evidence that groups around the world were pushing hard to get things done, but were unable to do so because they didn't have central coordination, I'd be more interested in entertaining the idea of a consolidated, centrally geo-colocated structure. But that would only cause members of the community to turn inward, when what we need to do is continue pushing outward — extending the ripples of awareness from the small community of folks who care about this technology.</div>
<div><br></div><div>More bureaucracy will not help here — more action will. Thus, I'd be more interested in developing ideas for helping OpenID grow internationally and advancing the cause of user-centric identity generally, than trying to construct a framework for participation before we even see any real activity happening naturally.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:weblivz@hotmail.com" target="_blank">weblivz@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri">I tend to agree with Santosh on this one - the breaking
up of OpenID into different organizations with little to no communication hasn't
been useful (at least not from what i've seen as a simple member - i don't
see what happens internally). Seems only to have isolated the majority
of decisions around OpenID in the US from other communities around the
world.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">Many of these Open* initiatives need to encourage
community participation from outwith the West Coast and i'd like to see a more
collaborative strategy in building this "platform" together. I don't know that
this community participation can be *purely* pushed out to edge foundations with
limited impact on the Foundation itself.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">/steven</font></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:14 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="general@openid.net" href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID
Foundation Europe</div></div></div><div><div></div><div>
<div><br></div>Forwarding to general forum. I think this discussion is og
general interest also.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Santosh Rajan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com" target="_blank">santrajan@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 8:28 PM<br>Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID
Foundation Europe<br>To: <a title="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a><br>Cc:
<a title="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-eu@lists.openid.net</a>, <a title="mailto:snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com
CTRL + Click to follow link" href="mailto:snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com" target="_blank">snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com</a><br><br><br>Hi
Don,
<div>I think you have missed the point entirely. Let me quote our european
colleagues. "<span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px"> was
also wondering whether it would be more appropriate to have one single
consolidated foundation".</span></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Right! Lets think in terms of one single
consolidated foundation. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">So
what have you got to say about that?</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Now
let me add my personal views to this. Living in an increasingly globalized
world, something so universal like "identity", should be globalized and made
"one".</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Instead of breaking up OpenID into cultural,
geographic and language boundaries, we should be working towards unifying OpenID
into one universal Identity.</span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">I
think it is ridiculous to think of OpenID europe, or OpenID Japan or OpenID
India or whatever you want to call it. </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Thanks </span></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">Santosh</span></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Don Thibeau (OIDF ED)
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:don@oidf.org" target="_blank">don@oidf.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:#ccc 1px solid;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">The OpenID Foundation has much work to do in Europe in
2010.<br><br>I hope the board elections underway will increase our
representation,<br>resources and expertise on several fronts WRT OpenID
EU.<br>I plan to propose a 2010 OpenID Foundation EU committee to:<br>1.
Review the analysis underway of our trademarks and brands<br>2. Discuss EU
membership outreach and organization<br>3. Review EU budget plans and
priorities.<br><br>With that new committee's help and that of Henrik, Snorri
and others, I plan<br>to propose the 2010 board sponsor a "OpenID Summit
Europe" to occur around<br>the Burton Catalyst Europe, April 19-22 in Prague.
I have been invited to<br>speak at that conference <a href="http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/" target="_blank">http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/</a><br><br>Don
Thibeau<br>don@OIDF.org<br>Executive Director<br>The OpenID Foundation<br><a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank">http://openid.net</a><br>
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<div><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of Henrik
Biering<br>Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:07 PM<br>To: Snorri
Giorgetti<br>Cc: <a href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-board@lists.openid.net</a>; <a href="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-eu@lists.openid.net</a><br>Subject: [OpenID board] Status
of the OpenID Foundation Europe<br><br>Hi Snorri,<br>how are you doing? I have
not heard anything from you for quite a long time.<br><br>Yesterday, I
discovered that the <a href="http://openid.dk" target="_blank">openid.dk</a>
domain registered by OpenID<br>foundation Europe had expired and had been
deactivated.<br>I have now managed to pay the invoice and get the domain
reactivated.<br><br>However, I wonder about the situation of OpenID Europe
Foundation in<br>general. You have done an impressive job of aquiring the
European and<br>National Trademarks for OpenID as well as several national
OpenID<br>domains on behalf of the EU foundation, and it would be sad to see
the<br>result of these efforts vanish.<br><br>If there are no resources
available to maintain OpenID Foundation<br>Europe, maybe it is appropriate to
consider how this IPR may be<br>consolidated within the global OpenID
Foundation (or alternatively at<br>the national levels).<br><br>Best
Regards,<br>Henrik Biering<br>OpenID-DK
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