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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Hi Chris. Agree that to get things achieved driving
through the West Coast is a must just now. Add to that the fact the
majority of activity is there it makes sense (... to my
frustration, but that's just a fact of geography and location of the
tech giants doing this stuff).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I guess what may be useful i that sense would be around
the Foundation hub a set of local representative spokes who are actively
involved. So, for example, if there is an IIW then all/most of these folks
would attend and make sure representation came from around. Maybe that already
happens but from what i can see it's one or two and not the majority. Nat is
probably the best example of how that can be done.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>That would give us the central hub for getting stuff
done (we all want that), some local representatives who are centrally
involved (we absolutely need that) - i.e. someone i could talk
directly to in the context of my geography but would be linked right into the
hub - and context relevant chapters who can look at the issues where they are
(actually this learning if input back to the hub could be extremely
useful).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I don't think it's necessarily about awaiting decisions
- it's more around being part of the system (i have felt this since day one
btw - may well be alone in that). I'd argue that it's hard to see visibility
from around the world right now - at a technical level i do know of at least
one OpenID implementation that is being developed by people from all
over.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>It's not simple and agree being too tightly coupled is
unlikely to be beneficial. Brett's insight from ISOC could be useful in
figuring something out. Purely from a branding perspective for the
local chapters to have a manage page (or pages) on the Foundation hub site would
be a start (the Argentina site for example doesn't seem to exist any more). I
could imagine this page also containing links to geographically relevant case
studies, folks to contact and so on. Nothing major but a common template. I say
that as people have asked me for that in the past.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Appreciate it's complex so just suggestions to take on
board (no pun intended).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>/steven</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><A
href="http://livz.org">http://livz.org</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chris.messina@gmail.com
href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">Chris Messina</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 4:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=weblivz@hotmail.com
href="mailto:weblivz@hotmail.com">Steven Livingstone-Perez</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=santrajan@gmail.com
href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com">Santosh Rajan</A> ; <A
title="mailto:general@openid.net CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID
Foundation Europe</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>There are both structural as well as cultural issues here that
cannot be merely ignored, or tilted at with the expectation of change.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>While I'm sympathetic to the idea of "One OpenID Foundation", in practice,
geo-colocated groups tend to work together more in a more capable, agile manner,
and have the benefit of understand local politics, priorities, and
momentum. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>For example, while I won't suggest that the work being done with the US
Federal Government represents the final answer when it comes to any government's
adoption or use of the technology, I do think that the outcomes represent a more
American approach to identity management (i.e. outsource it to private
companies) than one that would, say, be popular in Europe.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Therefore, in order to make progress, especially as this effort is still
young, I would be interested in seeing parallel developments or implementations
of the technology that reflect localized perspectives — in order to flesh out
the various use cases and applications and limitations of what we have — rather
than trying to assume that the OpenID 2.0 spec is complete (and I don't mean
that it needs more features — but that it needs better documentation, better
interaction models, and better use case descriptions, as well as more research
into its use — technology is easy to create, it's harder to take it away
later).</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm all for centralizing things like IP management, branding, messaging,
and the more public outreachy aspects of the brand and foundation, but I can
tell you that those things will likely fall in the laps of those on the West
Coast, once again, because it's easy for that to happen. I think Nat has been
doing an impressive job pushing OpenID forward in Japan, but if he had to wait
on a central body — again, which a preponderance of representation from the West
Coast — I don't know that he'd be making as much progress — as it is, he's been
trying to push forward various proposals with little help from anyone — let
alone the concentrated group on the West Coast.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If I saw evidence that groups around the world were pushing hard to get
things done, but were unable to do so because they didn't have central
coordination, I'd be more interested in entertaining the idea of a consolidated,
centrally geo-colocated structure. But that would only cause members of the
community to turn inward, when what we need to do is continue pushing outward —
extending the ripples of awareness from the small community of folks who care
about this technology.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>More bureaucracy will not help here — more action will. Thus, I'd be more
interested in developing ideas for helping OpenID grow internationally and
advancing the cause of user-centric identity generally, than trying to construct
a framework for participation before we even see any real activity happening
naturally.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:weblivz@hotmail.com">weblivz@hotmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I tend to agree with Santosh on this one - the
breaking up of OpenID into different organizations with little to no
communication hasn't been useful (at least not from what i've seen as a simple
member - i don't see what happens internally). Seems only to have
isolated the majority of decisions around OpenID in the US from other
communities around the world.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Many of these Open* initiatives need to encourage
community participation from outwith the West Coast and i'd like to see a more
collaborative strategy in building this "platform" together. I don't know that
this community participation can be *purely* pushed out to edge foundations
with limited impact on the Foundation itself.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>/steven</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Calibri><A
title="http://livz.org CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://livz.org" target=_blank>http://livz.org</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com" target=_blank>Santosh Rajan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 25, 2009 3:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=general@openid.net href="mailto:general@openid.net"
target=_blank>general@openid.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [OpenID] Fwd: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID
Foundation Europe</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Forwarding to general forum. I think this discussion is og
general interest also.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>From: <B
class=gmail_sendername>Santosh Rajan</B> <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:santrajan@gmail.com"
target=_blank>santrajan@gmail.com</A>></SPAN><BR>Date: Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at
8:28 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Status of the OpenID Foundation
Europe<BR>To: <A
title="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-board@lists.openid.net</A><BR>Cc: <A
title="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-eu@lists.openid.net</A>, <A
title="mailto:snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com"
target=_blank>snorri.giorgetti@gmail.com</A><BR><BR><BR>Hi Don,
<DIV>I think you have missed the point entirely. Let me quote our european
colleagues. "<SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> was
also wondering whether it would be more appropriate to have one single
consolidated foundation".</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">Right! Lets think in terms of one single
consolidated foundation. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">So
what have you got to say about that?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">Now let me add my personal views to this.
Living in an increasingly globalized world, something so universal like
"identity", should be globalized and made "one".</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">Instead of breaking up OpenID into cultural,
geographic and language boundaries, we should be working towards unifying
OpenID into one universal Identity.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">I
think it is ridiculous to think of OpenID europe, or OpenID Japan or OpenID
India or whatever you want to call it. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">Thanks </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">Santosh</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Don Thibeau (OIDF ED)
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:don@oidf.org"
target=_blank>don@oidf.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>The OpenID Foundation has much work to do in Europe in
2010.<BR><BR>I hope the board elections underway will increase our
representation,<BR>resources and expertise on several fronts WRT OpenID
EU.<BR>I plan to propose a 2010 OpenID Foundation EU committee to:<BR>1.
Review the analysis underway of our trademarks and brands<BR>2. Discuss EU
membership outreach and organization<BR>3. Review EU budget plans and
priorities.<BR><BR>With that new committee's help and that of Henrik, Snorri
and others, I plan<BR>to propose the 2010 board sponsor a "OpenID Summit
Europe" to occur around<BR>the Burton Catalyst Europe, April 19-22 in
Prague. I have been invited to<BR>speak at that conference <A
href="http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/"
target=_blank>http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/eu10/</A><BR><BR>Don
Thibeau<BR>don@OIDF.org<BR>Executive Director<BR>The OpenID Foundation<BR><A
href="http://openid.net" target=_blank>http://openid.net</A><BR>
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<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A
href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</A><BR>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-board-bounces@lists.openid.net</A>] On Behalf Of Henrik
Biering<BR>Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:07 PM<BR>To: Snorri
Giorgetti<BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:openid-board@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-board@lists.openid.net</A>; <A
href="mailto:openid-eu@lists.openid.net"
target=_blank>openid-eu@lists.openid.net</A><BR>Subject: [OpenID board]
Status of the OpenID Foundation Europe<BR><BR>Hi Snorri,<BR>how are you
doing? I have not heard anything from you for quite a long
time.<BR><BR>Yesterday, I discovered that the <A href="http://openid.dk"
target=_blank>openid.dk</A> domain registered by OpenID<BR>foundation Europe
had expired and had been deactivated.<BR>I have now managed to pay the
invoice and get the domain reactivated.<BR><BR>However, I wonder about the
situation of OpenID Europe Foundation in<BR>general. You have done an
impressive job of aquiring the European and<BR>National Trademarks for
OpenID as well as several national OpenID<BR>domains on behalf of the EU
foundation, and it would be sad to see the<BR>result of these efforts
vanish.<BR><BR>If there are no resources available to maintain OpenID
Foundation<BR>Europe, maybe it is appropriate to consider how this IPR may
be<BR>consolidated within the global OpenID Foundation (or alternatively
at<BR>the national levels).<BR><BR>Best Regards,<BR>Henrik
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