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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is nothing compared to the IETF’s pem-dev discussion about
getting the public to rely on the X.509 identity cert, in the decade preceding
the breakout of X.509 as a killer app (ssl 1994).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>10+ years later, the weeks long flames about the “NR bit”
(literally a bit in an XRD-like format) are still memorable – as several
cold-war defense contractors postured to leverage their capital “to own”
(“at all costs”, “for the safety of the nation”) the
internet security layer of the era (public key crypto).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>When one is dealing with public trust this kind of open forum is
necessary. It’s an indicator. How its managed tells you something about
the world it envisions for the 10-20 year life of the anticipated infrastructure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>RPs have to believe they are not being fed spin (again). It doesn’t
matter whether is government spin, corporate spin, governance spin, product
release spin, or presidential spin. The impunity of using spin itself is the
enemy of garnering the public’s trust. When puffing your services,
there has to be a line beyond which the public trust you not to go.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> John Bradley [mailto:ve7jtb@ve7jtb.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2009 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brett McDowell<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Santosh Rajan; Peter Williams; general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] [xri-comment] My Feedback for XRD Vrsion 1.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I do intend to run once nominations
open. (If I can round up the nominators)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I am hopping to better my previous
last place finish:) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I don't think putting moderation on
the general list is appropriate. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>It is true that a small number of
people dominate the conversation and things can get overheated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>However moderation is a cure worse
than the disease in this case.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>However one thing we should do is
establish a openID-Announce list so that people who don't want to be
overwhelmed by debates that may not be relevant to them can still receive
important announcements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>One of the large IDP's was asking
this morning where the best place to make an announcement about a proposed
change (bug fix) could be made so that RP's would see it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I think a announce list with a
higher signal to noise ratio would be a good thing. I can see that being
reasonably moderated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I am happy to suffer the slings and
arrows on the general list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>John B.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 2009-11-13, at 12:28 PM, Brett
McDowell wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I have no intention of running for
the OIDF Board in the coming election.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Nov 13, 2009, at 10:26 AM,
Santosh Rajan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Hi Brett,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>You sound like a person who wants
to nominate himself to the OpenID board for the coming elections.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Am I right or wrong? If i am wrong
then I have some answers to your above post.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Santosh<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 7:29 PM,
Brett McDowell <<a href="mailto:email@brettmcdowell.com">email@brettmcdowell.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'>On Nov 12, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote:<br>
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> Maybe the OpenID board should consider enforcing some basic rules of
civility and professionalism on this list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>+1<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:14 AM, SitG Admin wrote:<br>
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> As much as I value civility, I disapprove of the authoritarian approach to
moderation. -1; community-enforced rules are more in keeping with UCI
principles, too.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>+1<br>
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Those views are not mutually exclusive. The OIDF could approve a
code-of-conduct or even just a simple "values statement" (which could
be done via an all-member ballot, it doesn't have to be top-down from the
Board). It would serve as a tool for the community to use in its role as
enforcer of those shared values.<o:p></o:p></p>
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