<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The term "Directed Identity" is slightly vague.<div><br></div><div>The openID 2.0 spec added support for "Identifier Select".</div><div><br></div><div>It allows:</div><div>a) The User to identify who they are at there OP rather than the RP.</div><div>b) The User to select alternate persona at the OP to use at different RP.</div><div><br></div><div>I think most people agree that login buttons have caught on. </div><div><br></div><div>Though ironically if the number of OP increase we have just reinvented the SAML "Where Am I From" problem, that openID identifiers were intended to solve in the first place.</div><div><br></div><div>The second use hasn't seen a sufficiently good UI developed that users can take advantage of it.</div><div><br></div><div>We are also lacking a good UI for users to control there attributes.</div><div><br></div><div>This is also causing OP to streamline there interfaces to remove the ability to deselect returning attributes the RP has asked for. </div><div><br></div><div>The trend is towards the Google approach of using a "Pairwise" openID identifier and giving the user a yes/no choice for logging in with the attributes the RP has requested as required.</div><div><br></div><div>It isn't especially surprising that as a community we designed more features and flexibility than the public at large is initially interested in.</div><div><br></div><div>Personally with Pairwise identifiers becoming more common, I find the attribute disclosure issue more concerning, and one that may cause a privacy backlash at some point.</div><div><br></div><div>A better UI is needed however.</div><div><br></div><div>John B.</div><div><div><div>On 29-Aug-09, at 5:38 AM, <a href="mailto:openid-general-request@lists.openid.net">openid-general-request@lists.openid.net</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:44:13 -0700<br>From: Allen Tom <<a href="mailto:atom@yahoo-inc.com">atom@yahoo-inc.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [OpenID] Windows Live ID OpenID CTP Status Update (August<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>2009)<br>To: Jorgen Thelin <<a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a>>,<br><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span>"<a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4A985DBD.9090803@yahoo-inc.com">4A985DBD.9090803@yahoo-inc.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Jorgen Thelin wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hypothesis: <heresy> Directed identity choices don't work for *mainstream* users </heresy><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>This is not heresy, this is the truth. I'd go even further and claim<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>that directed identity doesn't work for most technically sophisticated<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>users. Obviously, the folks on this list are an exception.<br><br>The value proposition for OpenID is that users can sign into an RP with<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>an account that they already have. People who have multiple online<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>identities or personas already know how to have multiple accounts for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>each persona, and already switch between accounts when they want to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>project a different identity.<br><br>Allen<br></span></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>