+5000 to the "uni-box" — or "uberbox" concept.<div><br></div><div>With WebFinger, we can resolve email addresses to OpenID providers, and I believe that in order to achieve adoption, we need to be much more pragmatic and realistic about how people choose to identify themselves.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Ultimately we want to get to a box that asks you:</div><div><br></div><div>"Who are you?" [______________________]</div><div><br></div><div>And you can type any of:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:chrismessina@twitter.com">chrismessina@twitter.com</a></div>
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<div>chrismessina (if I'm on a specific website with usernames)</div><div>etc</div><div><br></div><div>And as long as I can prove that I am who I say I am (or have some identity provider that will serve some identifier consistently for me) then I should be able to sign in.</div>
<div><br></div><div>It all happens over HTTP messages, but from the user's perspective, they're telling a website who they are and then proving it. That's all there is to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Breno de Medeiros <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
That research had in mind how sites that have a legacy login system<br>
(typically based on usernames or email addresses) can integrate OpenID<br>
with good usability.<br>
<br>
A variant of that is to use "Email address or URL:" and have a uni-box<br>
for login.<br>
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Peter Williams<<a href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Openid: the URL is king, and is the source of all identity wisdom.<br>
><br>
> Google: no it's not: email address is king. Pah to you, and your URL axiom.<br>
><br>
> That's what I read.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, "Chris Messina" <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Fair enough. It is a little overwhelming, but I suppose that's a good thing.<br>
><br>
> Is this still your most current thinking?<br>
><br>
> <<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary</a>><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary</a><br>
><br>
> Chris<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Breno de Medeiros <<mailto:<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>><a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> Google regularly shares the results of our experiences and our<br>
> research in the site:<br>
><br>
> <<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/</a>><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/</a><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Chris Messina<<mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>><a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>> This post is very useful, and one of the more elaborate from one of the<br>
>> majors. I want to commend Microsoft for providing the amount of information<br>
>> that they did, and for sharing their findings (not with data, but still, the<br>
>> takeaways are generally useful).<br>
>> I would be very happy if Facebook, Yahoo, and Google all did the same.<br>
>> Clearly folks have had some questions and challenges dealing with OpenID on<br>
>> Google Apps for Your Domain, and it would be useful to understand where the<br>
>> confusion is coming from so that we could work to address it.<br>
>> In general, I find Microsoft's experience sobering — from both a privacy and<br>
>> usability perspective. The things that are valued by the UCI community seem<br>
>> to need to be jettisoned left and right because regular folks just don't<br>
>> grok it. These things are important to consider — and merely complaining<br>
>> about the loss of such features or the diminishment of certain priorities<br>
>> does us no good.<br>
>> Allen Tom, Steven Jackson and (I think) Luke Shepard have all been working<br>
>> on the user experience of OpenID for several months now, and it's unclear to<br>
>> me what the path to seeing that work adopted or reviewed is.<br>
>> Microsoft is clearly making progress here — and it would behoove the OpenID<br>
>> community, I believe, to take note of their lead and consider how we can<br>
>> learn more about how OpenID is actually performing in the wild and how it's<br>
>> being adopted and used (or not).<br>
>> Chris<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, David Recordon <<mailto:<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>><a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Great, thanks for the update!<br>
>>><br>
>>> --David<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Jorgen Thelin<<mailto:<a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a>><a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a>>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>> > FYI, the Live ID Team has posted a blog post giving a status update on<br>
>>> > the<br>
>>> > Live ID OpenID Provider Community Tech Preview and some of the lessons<br>
>>> > learned (particularly around UI / user experience) which you guys may<br>
>>> > find<br>
>>> > of interest.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > <<a href="http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry" target="_blank">http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry</a>> <a href="http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry" target="_blank">http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > I bet you all thought we had forgotten about this stuff ;-), but we are<br>
>>> > actively working on the production OP release for Live ID users.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Unfortunately I cannot publicly share any specific schedule details at<br>
>>> > this<br>
>>> > stage. Stay tuned though :)<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > - Jorgen<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > _______________________________________________<br>
>>> > general mailing list<br>
>>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
>>> > <<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a>> <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br>
>>> ><br>
>>> ><br>
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>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>><br>
>>> <<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a>> <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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