<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You should be able to say:<div><br></div><div>"Chris"</div><div><br></div><div>And the system responds: "Chris who?"</div><div><br></div><div>I'm only partially joking.</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Aug 27, 2009, at 17:30, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">+5000 to the "uni-box" — or "uberbox" concept.<div><br></div><div>With WebFinger, we can resolve email addresses to OpenID providers, and I believe that in order to achieve adoption, we need to be much more pragmatic and realistic about how people choose to identify themselves.</div> <div><br></div><div>Ultimately we want to get to a box that asks you:</div><div><br></div><div>"Who are you?" [______________________]</div><div><br></div><div>And you can type any of:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:chrismessina@twitter.com">chrismessina@twitter.com</a></div> <div><a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a></div><div><a href="http://factoryjoe.com">http://factoryjoe.com</a></div><div><a href="http://factoryjoe.com">factoryjoe.com</a></div><div><a href="http://facebook.com/chrismessina">facebook.com/chrismessina</a></div> <div>chrismessina (if I'm on a specific website with usernames)</div><div>etc</div><div><br></div><div>And as long as I can prove that I am who I say I am (or have some identity provider that will serve some identifier consistently for me) then I should be able to sign in.</div> <div><br></div><div>It all happens over HTTP messages, but from the user's perspective, they're telling a website who they are and then proving it. That's all there is to it.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Breno de Medeiros <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> That research had in mind how sites that have a legacy login system<br> (typically based on usernames or email addresses) can integrate OpenID<br> with good usability.<br> <br> A variant of that is to use "Email address or URL:" and have a uni-box<br> for login.<br> <div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Peter Williams<<a href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:<br> > Openid: the URL is king, and is the source of all identity wisdom.<br> ><br> > Google: no it's not: email address is king. Pah to you, and your URL axiom.<br> ><br> > That's what I read.<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > On Aug 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, "Chris Messina" <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> ><br> > Fair enough. It is a little overwhelming, but I suppose that's a good thing.<br> ><br> > Is this still your most current thinking?<br> ><br> > <<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary</a>><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/UXFedLogin/summary</a><br> ><br> > Chris<br> ><br> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Breno de Medeiros <<mailto:<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>><a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:breno@google.com">breno@google.com</a>>> wrote:<br> > Google regularly shares the results of our experiences and our<br> > research in the site:<br> ><br> > <<a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/</a>><a href="https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/oauthgoog/</a><br> ><br> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Chris Messina<<mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>><a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> >> This post is very useful, and one of the more elaborate from one of the<br> >> majors. I want to commend Microsoft for providing the amount of information<br> >> that they did, and for sharing their findings (not with data, but still, the<br> >> takeaways are generally useful).<br> >> I would be very happy if Facebook, Yahoo, and Google all did the same.<br> >> Clearly folks have had some questions and challenges dealing with OpenID on<br> >> Google Apps for Your Domain, and it would be useful to understand where the<br> >> confusion is coming from so that we could work to address it.<br> >> In general, I find Microsoft's experience sobering — from both a privacy and<br> >> usability perspective. The things that are valued by the UCI community seem<br> >> to need to be jettisoned left and right because regular folks just don't<br> >> grok it. These things are important to consider — and merely complaining<br> >> about the loss of such features or the diminishment of certain priorities<br> >> does us no good.<br> >> Allen Tom, Steven Jackson and (I think) Luke Shepard have all been working<br> >> on the user experience of OpenID for several months now, and it's unclear to<br> >> me what the path to seeing that work adopted or reviewed is.<br> >> Microsoft is clearly making progress here — and it would behoove the OpenID<br> >> community, I believe, to take note of their lead and consider how we can<br> >> learn more about how OpenID is actually performing in the wild and how it's<br> >> being adopted and used (or not).<br> >> Chris<br> >><br> >> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:45 PM, David Recordon <<mailto:<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>><a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:recordond@gmail.com">recordond@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> >>><br> >>> Great, thanks for the update!<br> >>><br> >>> --David<br> >>><br> >>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Jorgen Thelin<<mailto:<a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a>><a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:jthelin@microsoft.com">jthelin@microsoft.com</a>>><br> >>> wrote:<br> >>> > FYI, the Live ID Team has posted a blog post giving a status update on<br> >>> > the<br> >>> > Live ID OpenID Provider Community Tech Preview and some of the lessons<br> >>> > learned (particularly around UI / user experience) which you guys may<br> >>> > find<br> >>> > of interest.<br> >>> ><br> >>> > <<a href="http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry" target="_blank">http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry</a>> <a href="http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry" target="_blank">http://winliveid.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AEE1BB0D86E23AAC!1791.entry</a><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> > I bet you all thought we had forgotten about this stuff ;-), but we are<br> >>> > actively working on the production OP release for Live ID users.<br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> > Unfortunately I cannot publicly share any specific schedule details at<br> >>> > this<br> >>> > stage. Stay tuned though :)<br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> > - Jorgen<br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> > _______________________________________________<br> >>> > general mailing list<br> >>> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>><br> >>> > <<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a>> <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br> >>> ><br> >>> ><br> >>> _______________________________________________<br> >>> general mailing list<br> >>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>> <a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a>><br> >>> <<a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a>> <a href="http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general" target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> --<br> >> Chris Messina<br> >> Open Web Advocate<br> >><br> >> Personal: <<a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com</a>> <a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br> >> Follow me on Twitter: <<a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a>> <a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br> >><br> >> Citizen Agency: <<a href="http://citizenagency.com" target="_blank">http://citizenagency.com</a>> <a href="http://citizenagency.com" 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target="_blank">http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general</a><br> >><br> >><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > --Breno<br> ><br> > +1 (650) 214-1007 desk<br> > +1 (408) 212-0135 (Grand Central)<br> > MTV-41-3 : 383-A<br> > PST (GMT-8) / PDT(GMT-7)<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > --<br> > Chris Messina<br> > Open Web Advocate<br> ><br> > Personal: <<a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com</a>> <a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br> > Follow me on Twitter: <<a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a>> <a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br> ><br> > Citizen Agency: <<a href="http://citizenagency.com" target="_blank">http://citizenagency.com</a>> <a href="http://citizenagency.com" target="_blank">http://citizenagency.com</a><br> > Diso Project: <<a href="http://diso-project.org" 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<br>Chris Messina<br>Open Web Advocate<br><br>Personal: <a href="http://factoryjoe.com">http://factoryjoe.com</a><br>Follow me on Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/chrismessina">http://twitter.com/chrismessina</a><br> <br>Citizen Agency: <a href="http://citizenagency.com">http://citizenagency.com</a><br>Diso Project: <a href="http://diso-project.org">http://diso-project.org</a><br>OpenID Foundation: <a href="http://openid.net">http://openid.net</a><br> <br>This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private<br> </div> _______________________________________________<br>general mailing list<br><a href="mailto:general@lists.openid.net">general@lists.openid.net</a><br>http://lists.openid.net/mailman/listinfo/openid-general<br></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>