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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>Personally i do think a bit more effort into softening
the adoption of OpenID and oAuth libraries could only be a good
thing.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I have been working extensively with the DotNetOAuth
library and so appreciate the work that has to be done to integrate into
existing systems, despite it being one of the best libraries out
there.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>You then compare it to RPX from JanRain which is
literally 15 minutes work. Now, I know RPX is a hosted service but i do feel
that something like it on top of the existing libraries could prove
extremely valuable .... either as a WordPress like "drop in and it works"
or language/platform specific SDK Starter Kits that make it easily
customizable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>The issue is that many view the *libraries* as the core
bits to these technologies whereas the end users (developers are the end users
in this case) actually view the package as valuable... i.e. the library plus the
ability to very quickly customize it etc.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>The difficulty is that most developers want to work on
the cool tricky parts and the packaging is less, erm sexy.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>I'd be interested in where others think the various
packages are at. In an ideal world i do believe pluggable OpenID and oAuth
support should be the target.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Calibri>steven</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=chris.messina@gmail.com
href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">Chris Messina</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:44 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=lshepard@facebook.com
href="mailto:lshepard@facebook.com">Luke Shepard</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=cjohnson@sunlightfoundation.com
href="mailto:cjohnson@sunlightfoundation.com">Clay Johnson</A> ; <A
title=general@openid.net href="mailto:general@openid.net">OpenID List</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OpenID] FW: Facebook Cooperation with German Email
Providers?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Great — that wasn't the feedback [1][2][3] from Clay Johnson from
the Sunlight Foundation, so it'd be great work on simplifying the process of
implementing OpenID — including better guidelines on UX (which have been in the
works for a long time!).<BR><BR>
<DIV>I'm curious if they used an existing library for their
implementation?</DIV>
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<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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<DIV>[1] <A
href="http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3542673990">http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3542673990</A></DIV>
<DIV>[2] <A
href="http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543149587">http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543149587</A></DIV>
<DIV>[3] <A
href="http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543327836">http://twitter.com/cjoh/status/3543327836</A></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Luke Shepard <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:lshepard@facebook.com">lshepard@facebook.com</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hey Chris,<BR><BR>Good question – the general feedback
for OpenID was pretty positive. Peter Martinazzi, the engineer who implemented
it with the GMX side, said:<BR><BR>“<BR>It was a pretty easy process.
The main difficulty was small things (change this in the UI, make sure
to sign all of your info...) would take a whole day until they could be fixed
since we were in different time zones. If anything, using OpenID helped
to make life easier because it mitigated a lot more of the small things that
would have happened if we were integrating with some proprietary protocol.
So overall, Id say the OpenID was easy for them to implement and helped
to prevent having to deal with more over night round
trips.<BR>“<BR></SPAN></FONT>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From</B>: Chris Messina <<A
href="http://chris.messina@gmail.com"
target=_blank>chris.messina@gmail.com</A>> <BR><B>To</B>: Luke Shepard
<BR><B>Cc</B>: OpenID List <<A href="http://general@openid.net"
target=_blank>general@openid.net</A>> <BR><B>Sent</B>: Tue Aug 25
18:30:53 2009
<DIV class=im><BR><B>Subject</B>: Re: [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with
German Email Providers? <BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV class=im><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">On Tue, Aug
25, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Luke Shepard <<A
href="http://lshepard@facebook.com"
target=_blank>lshepard@facebook.com</A>> wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV></SPAN>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">But in no circumstances does the
user enter their Facebook password anywhere but Facebook. We are using
OpenID to avoid the password
anti-pattern.<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT
face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><BR>Music to my ears!
;)<BR><BR>Did you get any feedback from the GMX folks on implementing
OpenID?<BR><BR>Chris<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR
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