I think that's what's important to keep in mind.<div><br></div><div>Companies have many more priorities than supporting "open" protocols. They have customers with many demands — and if there is an open technology that doesn't involve licensing fees — and works well — they'll use it, as they did here.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If that same technology comes with a sub-par UI, they'll hide it away in the background and layer on their own UX, at least until something better or more universal comes along.</div><div><br></div>
<div>The same thing holds with OAuth — which Twitter unfortunately uses for authentication and authorization, all in the same flow.</div><div><br></div><div>These adoptions hint at the challenges that companies are looking to solve — and when they adopt these technologies in ways that don't jive with our conception of them, we need to consider why that was the case, and rather than merely complain about it, take steps to both improve the technology and explain our perspective.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/25 Steven Livingstone Pérez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:weblivz@hotmail.com">weblivz@hotmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>It's a small but significant step forward.<br><br>Business-wise they'd never get the go ahead to just release OpenID to the wild.<br><br>Moving in the right direction tho'.<br><br>steven<br><a href="http://livz.org" target="_blank">http://livz.org</a><br>
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:46:22 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
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<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">That is the question that many analysts are now asking; now
there is something to bother asking about.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Is openid a movement that simply defined some bit of technology from
which vendors build private authentication networks?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Or is openid an open standard that requires no vendor-vendor
setup to let users interwork?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">There are two things to measure: what the foundation says, and
what one can measure as praxis of the larger corporate players.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carsten
Pötter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:openid-general@lists.openid.net" target="_blank">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?</span></p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Yesterday German email providers Web.de and GMX released a
press release stating that their users will be able to log in to Facebook using
OpenID (<a href="http://faz-community.faz.net/blogs/netzkonom/archive/2009/08/24/facebook-chooses-german-e-mail-provider-web-de-and-gmx-as-first-open-id-partner-in-europe.aspx" target="_blank">http://faz-community.faz.net/blogs/netzkonom/archive/2009/08/24/facebook-chooses-german-e-mail-provider-web-de-and-gmx-as-first-open-id-partner-in-europe.aspx</a>).
Both email providers are subsidiaries of United Internet and dominate the
German email market.</p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>So far both providers offered users a "navigator"
to log in to various social networks, online merchants,... However users had to
provide usernames and passwords -> password anti-pattern. If I got things
right, both providers have to become OpenID Providers now. Though why is there
an explicit cooperation with Facebook?</p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>Is Facebook eventually accepting OpenIDs?</p>
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<div>
<p>Are Web.de/GMX and Facebook using any vendor specific APIs
or extensions?</p>
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<p> </p>
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<div>
<p>Anyone from Facebook here who can shed some light on the
topic? Thanks!</p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>Carsten </p>
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