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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Thanks Steven – that’s exactly right. We’ve been looking for ways to incorporate OpenID that supports our core business.<BR>
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Now, users of GMX.de or Web.de can easily jump-start Facebook registration with a verified email address using the OpenID protocol – or, if they already have a Facebook account, they can just link the two to allow for automatic login (when they are logged into GMX, they are automatically logged into Facebook). <BR>
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To address some of the earlier questions on the thread:<BR>
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> Are Web.de/GMX and Facebook using any vendor specific APIs or extensions?<BR>
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There are no vendor specific APIs or extensions – we are using off-the-shelf OpenID. The automatic login uses checkid_immediate, and the verified email is passed using Attribute Exchange. In fact, it’s the same code path as Gmail. The standard has been pretty great :)<BR>
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> However users had to provide usernames and passwords -> password anti-pattern.<BR>
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If the user already has a Facebook account, then they are given the option to link that account instead of creating a new one. But in no circumstances does the user enter their Facebook password anywhere but Facebook. We are using OpenID to avoid the password anti-pattern.<BR>
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> Chris: What is Open IP?<BR>
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A creative new form of typo? :-P<BR>
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If you have a web.de account and you try it out, let me know if you have feedback.<BR>
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- Luke<BR>
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On 8/25/09 12:22 PM, "Steven Livingstone Pérez" <<a href="weblivz@hotmail.com">weblivz@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'>It's a small but significant step forward.<BR>
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Business-wise they'd never get the go ahead to just release OpenID to the wild.<BR>
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Moving in the right direction tho'.<BR>
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steven<BR>
<a href="http://livz.org">http://livz.org</a><BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%">From: <a href="pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a><BR>
To: <a href="sccpffm@gmail.com">sccpffm@gmail.com</a>; <a href="openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a><BR>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:46:22 -0700<BR>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#1F497D"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>That is the question that many analysts are now asking; now there is something to bother asking about.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#1F497D"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Is openid a movement that simply defined some bit of technology from which vendors build private authentication networks?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#1F497D"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Or is openid an open standard that requires no vendor-vendor setup to let users interwork?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#1F497D"><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>There are two things to measure: what the foundation says, and what one can measure as praxis of the larger corporate players.<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From:</B> <a href="openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net">openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a> [<a href="mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net">mailto:openid-general-bounces@lists.openid.net</a>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Carsten Pötter<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:15 AM<BR>
<B>To:</B> <a href="openid-general@lists.openid.net">openid-general@lists.openid.net</a><BR>
<B>Subject:</B> [OpenID] Facebook Cooperation with German Email Providers?<BR>
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Yesterday German email providers Web.de and GMX released a press release stating that their users will be able to log in to Facebook using OpenID (<a href="http://faz-community.faz.net/blogs/netzkonom/archive/2009/08/24/facebook-chooses-german-e-mail-provider-web-de-and-gmx-as-first-open-id-partner-in-europe.aspx">http://faz-community.faz.net/blogs/netzkonom/archive/2009/08/24/facebook-chooses-german-e-mail-provider-web-de-and-gmx-as-first-open-id-partner-in-europe.aspx</a>). Both email providers are subsidiaries of United Internet and dominate the German email market.<BR>
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So far both providers offered users a "navigator" to log in to various social networks, online merchants,... However users had to provide usernames and passwords -> password anti-pattern. If I got things right, both providers have to become OpenID Providers now. Though why is there an explicit cooperation with Facebook?<BR>
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Is Facebook eventually accepting OpenIDs?<BR>
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Are Web.de/GMX and Facebook using any vendor specific APIs or extensions?<BR>
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Anyone from Facebook here who can shed some light on the topic? Thanks!<BR>
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Carsten <BR>
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