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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>AX was supposed to be a better sreg, with flexible attribute
definition. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It wasn’t supposed to be an infrastructure for the projection
of privacy-controls and/or governance regimes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Certain insiders may have better information on that “other”
intended scope. Perhaps AX was always about projection of attribute _<i>controls</i>_.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John
Bradley<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 03, 2009 11:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] general Digest, Vol 32, Issue 23<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Yes the point being that while everyone had the same AX book
they seem to be reading from different chapters.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>In my OSIS testing I realized that AX is facing
adoption resistance because
of different high-level interpretations of how it aught to
work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The spec per se is fine, we are missing the high level
interop guidelines.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That is why when someone on the list pointed to google as an
example of how to solve the verified email issue with AX, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I thought it was a good idea to consider how
google is doing it . They
are interpreting things differently. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>That may be the best solution but we
should explore the consequences of going in that direction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>John Bradley<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 3-Apr-09, at 10:42 PM, <a
href="mailto:general-request@openid.net">general-request@openid.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009
22:41:34 -0700</span></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>From: SitG Admin <<a
href="mailto:sysadmin@shadowsinthegarden.com">sysadmin@shadowsinthegarden.com</a>></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>Subject: Re: [OpenID] About Facebook, MySpace and
OpenID</span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>To: Andrew Arnott <<a
href="mailto:andrewarnott@gmail.com">andrewarnott@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>Cc:</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><span
class=apple-style-span><a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a></span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>Message-ID:
<f06110401c5fca2916b1e@[192.168.0.2]></span><br>
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"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>'if_available' suggests if the OP happens to know it, then the RP<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>wants it. This isn't a 'if_user_opts_in' parameter.
Which makes it<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>basically the same as 'required', except the OP can feel less
badly<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>about not supplying it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>This may be an attempt at convenience for the
user. When the RP</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>doesn't know how many of its "optional"
fields a user may want to</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>fill out, it can't guess which ones to put as
"required" so the OP</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>will respond - and the RP doesn't want to pose an
inconvenience upon</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>the user to type in fields manually just because
the user wasn't</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>asked for them originally.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>That's how I thought AX *worked*, or was supposed
to: the user could</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>click on "fill out this data automatically
from my OP", and the RP</span><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<span class=apple-style-span>would send the user back to their OP just long
enough to do so.</span><br>
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<span class=apple-style-span>-Shade</span><br>
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