<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eran@hueniverse.com">eran@hueniverse.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Long rant inline. Nothing important so if you are busy feel free to ignore.<br></blockquote><div>... </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
If <link> elements are a critical part of the OpenID solutions for the<br>
reasons you offer, OpenID is doomed.<br></blockquote></div><br>I'm not going to dispute your arguments line by line. It comes down to elitism and populism.<div><br></div><div>While beautiful fucking snowflakes are exactly that, when the dog pisses on them, they all the same.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And that's why the web is a cesspool of poorly formed HTML, Javascript and CSS, the majority of which does not validate and never will.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm quite sure that there is an immaculate web out there of perfectly formed XML, and there are about five people that use it religiously, and their world is perfect, and complete, and ignored by everyone who has more important things to do than comply with the minutia of the specs that people like us spec our time writing. They'll tweak and they'll tweak until it runs because it's their job, not because they're scientists or because they care about technology because at the end of the day, something needs to ship for them to take home a paycheck.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And when some boss person finally decides that he wants an OpenID and the lowly intern who just read the HTML4 book last week is assigned the task, I'm can imagine that being able to add a simple <link> delegation tag to the boss' blog will save him a whole lot of hassle.<br clear="all">
<br></div><div>It isn't that that will be the dominate use case, but it will be *a* use case, and many like it are sure to emerge over the course of time between where we are today and where we aspire to get to.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now, whether that <link> tags points directly to the delegated OpenID or to an XRD document, I suppose I could care less. I think that real people deal better with things that seem more concrete to them, and therefore pointing to a URL instead of an abstract bundle of services will make more sense... but if there's someplace that will offer to host your secure XRD profile for you, and make it stupidly easy to set up, then I don't care if the end result looks more like this:</div>
<div><br></div><div><link rel="describedby" href="<a href="https://example.com/discovery.xrds">https://example.com/discovery.xrds</a>" /><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>than this:</div><div><br></div><div><link rel="openid2.delegate" href="<a href="https://example.com">https://example.com</a>" /></div>
<div><br></div><div>(though I imagine the latter will be more comprehensible)</div><div><br></div><div>Eran, I don't doubt your technical capabilities or prowess. But when it comes to promoting technology or ideas, and getting this stuff effectively in the hands of regular people who just see "snow" when we show them our proverbial beautiful fucking snowflakes, I think I've got enough experience to advocate from an informed position here.</div>
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