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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you had a magic wand to wave in the OAUTH + OpenID
integration (which I hope happens), <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>would you eliminate the concept of end-user controlled delegation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Today, the ONLY way a user can express the requirement to have myopenid invoke
https between the user’s browser and myopenid for user authentication is
through the user-controlled metadata used also for delegation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Would you eliminate the concept of a user being able to require an
OP to authentication the user over https?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I ask these particular questions as many folk in more traditional
TTP IDP community cultures feel end-users really ought to have NO say and NO control
over those issues. They would typically argue that only “authorities”
have a “proper” role in those areas, whether the authority is the RP,
the OP or the vanity openid provider (i-broker/ISP).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>They would argue that the end-user is NEVER an authority. Rather,
the user has only one role: to be a subscriber to one of other authorities
policies. Only if the authority can continually trust and verify the end-user against
the policy would such an authority authorize the user to participate in the
community. Without an explicit authorization, access to the interworking community
will be denied by default.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eran
Hammer-Lahav<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 08, 2009 1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Atkins<br>
<b>Cc:</b> general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] HTML-Based Discovery incompatibilities<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>problem with OpenID, unlike most other
protocols in this space is that it is too close to the end-user surface. <span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><span style='font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So if this feature is not widely adopted,
it leads directly to breaking the faith the end-user has in the entire
protocol. <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p>
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