Ok.<div><br></div><div>So let me repeat back my takeaway: the foundation can not, will not, and should not endorse any particular OpenID user experience. However, it can support, patronize, solicit and otherwise help promote user experience work that might bring about recommendations, guidelines or actual interfaces.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Similarly, the foundation might go about paying a firm to develop a marketing plan, but can not say how OpenID should be used. Only that it should be used. For things. ?</div><div><br></div><div>I guess I'm a little confused here. I'm fine with setting up boundaries for what the foundation can and can't do... and I'm thinking that perhaps I just need to chair a non-foundation committee that works on OpenID UX, because, in fact, I DO want to come up with explicit recommendations and best practices that tell people PRECISELY how to implement OpenID on their websites and in their applications.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I was trained as a designer and have worked in open source for the last five years (I'm a baby still, I know), but I know that open source tends to do really poorly when it comes to usable, consumer-friendly design. While there's a little "government competing with private enterprise" here, we MUST provide direction for people about how to make OpenID usable, and can not merely rely on the private sector to sort this out (since they've not provided solid recommendations yet!). I don't think that the foundation should provide its own OpenID provider, for example, but insomuch as people are going to come to us looking for advice on how to make OpenID work for them (including making it comprehensible by mere mortals), we have to change our approach and give them something they can use.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So, maybe this work happens outside the walls of the foundation... but I'm going to need folks more familiar with the bylaws to explain to me how to go about this work above the pale... I'm not interested in stepping on toes, but the current allergy to OpenID UX work from the foundation has to be overcome.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Chris</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:05 AM, David Recordon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Building on this (since I agree with Dick), it is however part of the Foundation's job to help facilitate the community determining the right UX where it can. Thus hosting meetings, helping with research, etc are all things the Foundation can and should be doing.<div>
<br></div><font color="#888888"><div>--David</div></font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><br><div><div>On Jan 5, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Dick Hardt wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>Hi Chris</div><div><br></div><div>I'm breaking it down along types of work. </div><div><br></div>I do think it is the Foundation's job to do the marketing. It is in the charter. <div><br></div><div>It is NOT the Foundation's job to determine the right UX -- which is why including the JanRain code on the Foundation website was so controversial (IMHO).</div>
<div><br></div><div>The Foundation charter clearly states that the Foundation does NOT set the technical direction of OpenID. I wanted to clarify this point in case you and other board members were not familiar with it.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-- Dick</div><div><br><div><div>On 4-Jan-09, at 5:37 PM, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">It seems like you're breaking things down along the lines of "what" comprises OpenID and "how" it advances in the marketplace -- or at least that's how I'm interpreting your statement.<div>
<br> </div><div>Unfortunately marketing a shitty product won't get us very far, so I'd say that UX is just as primary as marketing. It might not be up to the board to "do" the UX work, but nor is it the board's job to "do" the marketing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Facilitate both, certainly -- and given where we are -- I'd say with equal vigor.</div><div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Dick Hardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com" target="_blank">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Chris, your comments bring up an important scope issue: I would consider user experience to be a technical issue, and if so, not an issue for the board to determine -- but an area for the board to facilitate activity.<br>
<br> Marketing of OpenID is clearly within the the scope of the board.<br><font color="#888888"> <br> -- Dick</font><div><br> <br> On 4-Jan-09, at 3:54 PM, <a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br>
<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Absolutely. As aboard member, id love for my two areas to be user<br> experience Nd marketing!<br> </blockquote>
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