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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If there is any proposal that will ever evoke (d), surely it’s
the topic you are touching. If it is the same one as a draft I read a while ago,
its proposing the infrastructure normalize the means of giving signed notice of
(freeform) legal terms attached to the assertion sent to an SP. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If that assumption about legal notices is true, this is
the same as a core innovation VeriSign added to RSA secure server certificates
early on : (a) delivery of a copyright notice in the certificate OU field, in
order to give notice of data ownership and establish associated legal controls
over repurposers, (b) include a url to incorporate by reference a legal agreement
to which any the relying party(s) and/or user(s)are deemed to be bound,
upon making any user of the certificate. If in OpenID Auth v2 you now sign with
a public key signing operation the assertion’s (h)mac, and the mac covers
the text of the legal terms present in a new extension, you have essentially
reinvented the OP as an entity performing on-demand certificate issuing (if the
AX response extension contains the user’s public key(s)).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I’d have sympathy with the founders of openid objecting to
that proposal, if cast in the terms above. I _<i>can</i>_ see them applying their
collective veto on the grounds that such a capability is not consistent with
the “purpose” of openid. Treated separately, though, each element of
your elements is a very useful (reusable) function. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I suspect folks are going to have to extend their definition of the
“purpose” of openid to accommodate your proposal, even if presented
as a series of individual elements. Ill guess that this will mean persuading a
majority of the spec council that the type of OP/SP they are now dealing with
needs the kinds of instruments you are proposing. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This feels like another “NSF/NASA gives operational control
to MCI” moment (*). The spec council members might do well to consult our
very own Foundation EO for counsel on how to navigate a shift of
this magnitude.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(*) the transition that gave birth of the _commercial_ internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nat Sakimura
[mailto:sakimura@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sakimura Nat; general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] [OIDFSC] FW: Proposal to create the TX working
group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:5.25pt'>Well, yeah, but I think specs-committee is not
talking about (d). <br>
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I also considered splitting it into dsig and cx, but current spec process is a
kind of heavy lifting, so I was hoping that I could do it in one shot. Also,
one of the beauty of OpenID specs were not being modularized so much, so that
you do not have to go through so many specs. From the point of veiw of the
modularity, I would split the authentication spec as well into (1) Discovery
(of both canonical ID e.g., URI with fragment and services), (2) Assertion
Format (3) Signature methods (4) Protocols. [I actually prefer this way, but
I've got a feeling that this community wants a monolithic spec.]<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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