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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This sound like the highest common denominator conception in
effect: Users who don’t choose the dominant OPs/IDPs/brands are just
placing themselves in the 20%, and thus should really by have learned to “expect”
performance/reliability issues. It’s the visa brand model (that won! over
the store cards) So you the consumer do have a UCI “free choice”
of OPs …as they ARE all equal. But, in reality, some OPs are more equal
than others. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is an alternative. As “customer,“ Foundation
tells outsourcer (“PbWiki”) to use Debian trust model (i.e. CTL=Debian).
It would tell it to do this for the Foundation’s pbwiki, but would not gell
PBWiki to do it for the wiki its hosting for IBM, say). When the Foundation updates
it own reliance policy on CAs, as the dominant SP, it requires PbWiki to apply
the same CTP policy to the Foundation’s wiki (within 1h say).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I have no doubt PbWiki will do absolutely nothing for me, a
user, if I use their “issues pages”. I am not a customer, and dont
pay a dime. I thus have no voice, in any well run business. I’ll just get
some faff answer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BTW: Thanks to PbWiki for (a) hosting the new wiki (b) being a talking-horse.
None of this discussion in any way is supposed to diminish their contribution
to the Foundation. I extol their efforts and their willingness to let their
offering be used in the public commentary. They sound, like phonefactor do with
MyOpenID, like folks who know how to support standards efforts - and get sales
lead generation in return. Good for them!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chris Messina
[mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 19, 2008 1:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dick Hardt; OpenID List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] wiki.openid.net is now set up<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Peter Williams <<a
href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>I'd be happy to make trials of some https OpenIDs against
Foundation-related service providers, where one would naturally expect what
works at 1 to work at the others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Great. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can we agree that the expectation stated above is reasonable
(at least for those assertion "consumers" in the Foundation's very
own private "affiliation group")?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Personally I have a hard time agreeing to this. I tend to
desire serving the 80% use cases first, and once those are adequately
addressed, then I look to see if I can make the experience more tolerable for
the remaining 20%.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>If the OpenID community collectively had infinite resources,
then I might gladly agree, but that is not the case, therefore when it comes to
setting priorities, I tend to think that warming a snail shell's worth of water
with a magnifying glass won't get me any closer to raising the temperature of
the ocean by a single degree.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Dick Hardt [mailto:<a href="mailto:dick.hardt@gmail.com">dick.hardt@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:46 AM<br>
> To: Peter Williams<br>
> Cc: OpenID List<br>
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] <a href="http://wiki.openid.net"
target="_blank">wiki.openid.net</a> is now set up<br>
><br>
> Hey Peter<br>
><br>
> Good suggestions!<br>
><br>
> Would you be interested in helping check if things work as you would<br>
> expect, and if, would you be willing to help make things work as<br>
> expected?<br>
><br>
> -- Dick<br>
><br>
> On 19-Dec-08, at 11:34 AM, Peter Williams wrote:<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Can we login with https OpenIDs?<br>
> ><br>
> > Can the operator ensure that Foundation operational policy's on CAs<br>
> > is enacted by its pbwiki outsourcer (at least for the Foundation's<br>
> > particular wiki)?<br>
> ><br>
> > It will be silly if I can SSO with an https openid to the election,<br>
> > but I cannot SSO with the same https openid to the pbwiki. Would<br>
> > make the universality of the SSO concept look broken, for a consumer.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'm going to attempt join my client's (CAcert-endorsed) https Openid<br>
> > membership account, for voting purposes.<br>
> ><br>
> > (Though Eddy might protest that the Foundation is not served by<br>
> > agreeing to that business partners legal terms) As a user, I'd want<br>
> > the CA-cert endorsed https OpeniD viable for the membership.voting<br>
> > site to also work on the Foundation's wiki.<br>
> ><br>
> > Surely the Foundation's various services would all accept the same<br>
> > (https) openid (even when outsourced to some or other SAAS, this<br>
> > week)?<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > I'd what the same grade of discovery authentication endorsement<br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: <a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">general-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-">general-</a><br>
> >> <a href="mailto:bounces@openid.net">bounces@openid.net</a>] On<br>
> >> Behalf Of Scott Kveton<br>
> >> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:59 AM<br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:board@openid.net">board@openid.net</a><br>
> >> Cc: OpenID List<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [OpenID] [OpenID board] <a
href="http://wiki.openid.net" target="_blank">wiki.openid.net</a> is now set up<br>
> >><br>
> >> Great work on this Chris ... thanks for taking the charge on
this.<br>
> >><br>
> >> - Scott<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Chris Messina<br>
> >> <<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >>> As you've probably seen, we've been making efforts to move
the<br>
> >>> MediaWiki-based OpenID wiki to PBWiki.<br>
> >>> The transition is complete and the new wiki is available<br>
> >>> at <a href="http://wiki.openid.net" target="_blank">http://wiki.openid.net</a>
(same as the old address).<br>
> >>> Not all pages from the previous wiki have been ported, but
the plan<br>
> >> is to<br>
> >>> mothball that content at <a href="http://old-wiki.openid.net"
target="_blank">old-wiki.openid.net</a>. The primary reason<br>
> for<br>
> >> not<br>
> >>> moving all the old pages over is that much of the content is
out of<br>
> >> date,<br>
> >>> inaccurate or no longer useful.<br>
> >>> In order to edit the wiki, you will need to sign in. Fortunately<br>
> >>> this<br>
> >> wiki,<br>
> >>> unlike the old wiki, permits OpenID authentication:<br>
> >>> <a href="https://my.pbwiki.com/openid" target="_blank">https://my.pbwiki.com/openid</a><br>
> >>> If you have any questions, let me know or post them here.<br>
> >>> If you have general comments about PBWiki, you can visit
their<br>
> >> support<br>
> >>> forum:<br>
> >>> <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/pbwiki/topics"
target="_blank">http://getsatisfaction.com/pbwiki/topics</a><br>
> >>> Thanks,<br>
> >>> Chris<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Chris Messina<br>
> >>> Citizen-Participant &<br>
> >>> Open Technology Advocate-at-Large<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Vote in the OpenID Board Election!<br>
> >>> <a href="http://tr.im/vote_oidf" target="_blank">http://tr.im/vote_oidf</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank">factoryjoe.com</a>
# <a href="http://diso-project.org" target="_blank">diso-project.org</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://citizenagency.com" target="_blank">citizenagency.com</a>
# <a href="http://vidoop.com" target="_blank">vidoop.com</a><br>
> >>> This email is: [X] bloggable [ ] ask
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> >>><br>
> >>> _______________________________________________<br>
> >>> board mailing list<br>
> >>> <a href="mailto:board@openid.net">board@openid.net</a><br>
> >>> <a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board"
target="_blank">http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/board</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> general mailing list<br>
> >> <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a><br>
> >> <a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general"
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> > _______________________________________________<br>
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Open Technology Advocate-at-Large<br>
<br>
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