<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hey David,<div><br></div><div>We have the parties interested in building the demonstration. It is Vightel/NASA/Fujitsu/Stevens Institute/George Mason University team working on the GPW thread of the OGC OWS-6. How more specific do I need to be?</div><div>We have the scenario we need to demonstrate.</div><div>I think that we need to look seriously at an integration of OpenID and OAuth when the SP's and OP's are separate.</div><div>This is likely to require an extension of OpenID.</div><div>Problem is that this does not seem to be a use-case interesting for Google and Yahoo and the current working group is restricted.</div><div><br></div><div>So I am asking the question to the board for guidance.</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Pat.</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 3:03 PM, David Recordon wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hey Pat,<div>I think it would be finding a few parties interested in building the demonstration and then figuring out how the Foundation could help to make that happen. The Foundation should be helping to push something forward versus being the gate keeper of starting things.</div><div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Pat Cappelaere wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Brian,<div><br></div><div>As you know we are trying to penetrate the NASA/DOD market and demonstrate OpenID+OAuth during an Open Geospatial Consortium demonstration in March as it could apply to automated workflows. We will have to write an engineering report describing our findings. There are many companies looking at this.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://xml.coverpages.org/OGC-OWS6-Testbed.html">http://xml.coverpages.org/OGC-OWS6-Testbed.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>We are trying to present a RESTful alternative to SOAP WS-* approach for a different market.</div><div><br></div><div>The scenario we have to work with is different from what Google and Yahoo have in mind (SP=OP in their case) so I am not seeing any interest in opening up the working group to a new member to discuss the issue further and try to support us.</div><div><br></div><div>If the OIDF were to be interested in this technology demonstration from a strategic perspective, what would be the next steps?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Pat.</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Dec 16, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Brian Kissel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Another item that I forgot to put on the list, we could certainly benefit from a concerted community-wide effort to identify and reach out to potentially receptive prospective RPs, especially mainstream highly visible sites. As some of you may know, we created<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://demand.openid.net/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://demand.openid.net/</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to let OpenID users vote for what sites you’d like to see OpenID-enabled. The idea was that if we could create a groundswell of demand for the top requested sites, we could use that data to encourage those sites to implement OpenID. It got some initial interest and participation, but has died off lately. It’s a bit difficult since it requires installing a bookmarklet in your browser then remembering to use it.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We can certainly continue to send emails to info@, support@, webmaster@ but those usually don’t go anywhere. Personally, I’ve been using my college and business networks along with LinkedIn, but that only get us so far. But if the entire OpenID community could leverage our collective networks, that could be meaningful. For example, it would be great to have Wikipedia or Craigslist implement OpenID, but we need introductions into the organizations. I’ve personally been advocating that we target “content providers” – media companies (film, tv, radio, music, newspapers, sports, etc.) and affinity groups (corp & academic alumni networks, clubs, boy scouts, AARP, trade associations, etc.). BBC, 4-H, and AARP are already members of the OIDF. These organizations should be more receptive since they want to register lots of users/members and make it easy for them to login, and longer term to possibly share social networking profile information. Additionally, their primary focus isn’t purely commerce, so we don’t have to have all the aspects of commerce worked out to be of immediate value to them.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">So if anyone on this list knows people at companies or organizations that should be implementing OpenID, contact them. Let them know about the OpenID Foundation and our website. Encourage them to join the Foundation and/or a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailing list</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to monitor a topic of interest to them. If they’d like to discuss joining the OpenID Foundation, have them contact any of the members of the Membership committee: Dewitt Clinton, Gary Krall, David Recordon, or Brian Kissel (me). If they want to participate in customer research, have them contact Johannes Ernst, Raj Mata, Scott Kveton, or me. You can see who the members of the various committees are at:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Foundation/Committees" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://wiki.openid.net/OpenID_Foundation/Committees</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If they want to implement OpenID on their websites, point them to the various open source libraries or service providers that help companies with implementation. And yes, this is self-serving for JanRain since we do both, but feel free to point them to any resources that you think can help them. For OpenID to expand its relevance beyond tech savvy users and user generated content applications, we need broader mainstream RP adoption. I’m hopeful that as soon as an average person can think of a dozen or more sites where they can use their OpenID, we’ll start to reach an inflection point where users start to demand this kind of user experience.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Again, we welcome everyone who is interested to join the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">marketing mailing list</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to provide your suggestions and feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; "><br>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">==============<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Messina [<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 11:16 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Kissel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a>; Zac Bjelogrlic<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks Brian. This is a great start!<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I've recorded these on the wiki for now:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="https://openid.pbwiki.com/Marketing" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://openid.pbwiki.com/Marketing</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Would definitely be great to start thinking about planning specific agenda/action items and tasks to take these on in 2009!<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Agreed we need to get more systematic about this. It's one of the things we want to pursue across all the committees in 2009. Off the top of my head, here are a few things that I have heard requested. If there are volunteers to take them on, that would be great:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">An update to Joseph Smarr's tutorial on how to deploy OpenID on your website using the open source libraries</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">ROI analysis for various use cases of OpenID – what are revenue enhancement or costs reduction impacts of OpenID, how much will it cost to deploy, and consequently what is the return on investment (ROI) for deploying OpenID on my site</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Specific case studies on the benefits of OpenID – site X saw registrations go up by 15%, site Y saw forgotten password costs go down by 10%, site Z gathered additional customer account registration data by consuming SREG data, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Volunteers to create more content for the OIDF website for prospective RPs – this would also involve interviewing RPs to find out what content they'd like to see on the OIDF website</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">An overview of SREG and AX and how to use them for RPs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best practices for RP deployment – this goes beyond the "how to" in the first bullet, to discuss things like UX, linking OpenIDs to existing accounts, managing disparate data from multiple sources, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">·</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Benchmarking the websites of other SIGs and foundations to see</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">o</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">what website capabilities they offer that OIDF should, how we could improve navigation, organization, search, etc. on our site</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">o</span><span style="font-size: 7pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">what programs they offer for members that we might consider for our members</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I'm sure others on the list have suggestions on things that the OIDF could/should be doing to help drive adoption and usage from a marketing perspective, so I'd suggest those people who are interested should subscribe to the marketing mailing list and we can start developing our plans for 2009.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">==============</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Messina [mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 7:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Kissel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a>; Zac Bjelogrlic<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks Brian.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Is there a list of ongoing marketing activities and a list of goals, objectives or measurements we're using to gauge our progress?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I found the mailing list, but it looks dead: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Jsut as with the CRC, I'd love to see a list of what's going on with this committee on the wiki. I'm happy to transcribe what information is available so that we can get ourselves sorted and our priorities assigned.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I feel like there's been lots of chatter on the OpenID mailing lists lately but not enough meaty opportunities to get people involved in owning a piece of the pie.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If we can start bite-chunking the work and assigning it to some of the more active posters on the OpenID lists, I think, given the free time some of us seem to have available, we might be able to make incredible progress (think: we're leveraging the opportunity provided by Cory Doctorow's cognitive surplus!).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I believe we've spent $10K with Market Focus so far (Johannes?) and BBC sponsored the meals and facilities at the NYC meeting (many thanks to Zac Bjelogrlic and the BBC team for their leadership and generosity). One key next step was the UX Summit sponsored by Yahoo. There have been separate related initiatives by many of the OPs focused user profile data management. Some preliminary discussions have happened around business and legal frameworks, but don't know that there is much to share on that yet. I'd imagine next steps will be determined by the Customer Research and Marketing Committees in the context of next year's operating plan and budget.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">==============</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Messina [mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Kissel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Ok, thanks for that.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Do we have any additional documentation or reports?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'll transcribe elements of that presentation to the wiki in the meanwhile.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It'd be good to know if this work is ongoing, and if so, how to get involved or what outcomes are expected as well as how much was spent on the deliverables we've currently received.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yes, one public summary from IIW in Mt. View:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/bkkissel/openid-foundation-market-research-report-from-iiwb-2008-presentation" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.slideshare.net/bkkissel/openid-foundation-market-research-report-from-iiwb-2008-presentation</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> This is just a summary from a more detailed report that Johannes initiated with an outside market research firm named Market Focus. Market Focus attended the Content Provider Advisory Committee meeting, then did a series of one-on-one interviews with several of the participants as well as other RPs, prospective RPs, and OPs. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">==============</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">general-bounces@openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">general-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Messina<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 5:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Johannes Ernst<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst+<a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid.net</a>@<a href="http://netmesh.us" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">netmesh.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>Re the CRC work: I personally got on the phone with every board member that I could get a hold of in the week before I asked for funding the external consultant -- you will recall that you and I talked about it, too, on the phone, prior to the board meeting. So I'm at loss to understand what you mean by not having been consulted.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This is a separate topic, but I searched around for the results of the CRC committee and all I came up with was this page (ported from the original wiki):<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="https://openid.pbwiki.com/Customer-Research-Committee" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://openid.pbwiki.com/Customer-Research-Committee</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Are the results of this study available?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Chris Messina<br>Citizen-Participant &<br> Open Technology Advocate-at-Large<br><a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">factoryjoe.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>#<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://diso-project.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">diso-project.org</a><br><a href="http://citizenagency.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">citizenagency.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>#<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vidoop.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">vidoop.com</a><br>This email is: [ ] bloggable [X] ask first [ ] private<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3694 (20081215) __________<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; 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