<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm updating Joseph's tutorial for my book and will release it as a standalone chapter under CC as well.<div><br></div><div>We'll also be getting into things like SREG and AX usage as well as best practices, though ideally will be curating and gathering existing ideas rather than creating new ones.<br><div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 15, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Brian Kissel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Agreed we need to get more systematic about this. It’s one of the things we want to pursue across all the committees in 2009. Off the top of my head, here are a few things that I have heard requested. If there are volunteers to take them on, that would be great:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">An update to Joseph Smarr’s tutorial on how to deploy OpenID on your website using the open source libraries<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">ROI analysis for various use cases of OpenID – what are revenue enhancement or costs reduction impacts of OpenID, how much will it cost to deploy, and consequently what is the return on investment (ROI) for deploying OpenID on my site<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Specific case studies on the benefits of OpenID – site X saw registrations go up by 15%, site Y saw forgotten password costs go down by 10%, site Z gathered additional customer account registration data by consuming SREG data, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Volunteers to create more content for the OIDF website for prospective RPs – this would also involve interviewing RPs to find out what content they’d like to see on the OIDF website<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">An overview of SREG and AX and how to use them for RPs<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Best practices for RP deployment – this goes beyond the “how to” in the first bullet, to discuss things like UX, linking OpenIDs to existing accounts, managing disparate data from multiple sources, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>·<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Benchmarking the websites of other SIGs and foundations to see<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">what website capabilities they offer that OIDF should, how we could improve navigation, organization, search, etc. on our site<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="text-indent: -0.25in; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>o<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">what programs they offer for members that we might consider for our members<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m sure others on the list have suggestions on things that the OIDF could/should be doing to help drive adoption and usage from a marketing perspective, so I’d suggest those people who are interested should subscribe to the marketing mailing list and we can start developing our plans for 2009.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; "><br>Brian<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">==============<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502<o:p></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Messina [<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 7:57 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Kissel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a>; Zac Bjelogrlic<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks Brian.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Is there a list of ongoing marketing activities and a list of goals, objectives or measurements we're using to gauge our progress?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I found the mailing list, but it looks dead: <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://openid.net/pipermail/marketing/</a><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Jsut as with the CRC, I'd love to see a list of what's going on with this committee on the wiki. I'm happy to transcribe what information is available so that we can get ourselves sorted and our priorities assigned.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I feel like there's been lots of chatter on the OpenID mailing lists lately but not enough meaty opportunities to get people involved in owning a piece of the pie.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If we can start bite-chunking the work and assigning it to some of the more active posters on the OpenID lists, I think, given the free time some of us seem to have available, we might be able to make incredible progress (think: we're leveraging the opportunity provided by Cory Doctorow's cognitive surplus!).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I believe we've spent $10K with Market Focus so far (Johannes?) and BBC sponsored the meals and facilities at the NYC meeting (many thanks to Zac Bjelogrlic and the BBC team for their leadership and generosity). One key next step was the UX Summit sponsored by Yahoo. There have been separate related initiatives by many of the OPs focused user profile data management. Some preliminary discussions have happened around business and legal frameworks, but don't know that there is much to share on that yet. I'd imagine next steps will be determined by the Customer Research and Marketing Committees in the context of next year's operating plan and budget.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">==============</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chris Messina [mailto:<a href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 6:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Brian Kissel<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">board@openid.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Status of the Customer Research Committee (Was: Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Ok, thanks for that.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Do we have any additional documentation or reports?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I'll transcribe elements of that presentation to the wiki in the meanwhile.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">It'd be good to know if this work is ongoing, and if so, how to get involved or what outcomes are expected as well as how much was spent on the deliverables we've currently received.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Brian Kissel <<a href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bkissel@janrain.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yes, one public summary from IIW in Mt. View:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/bkkissel/openid-foundation-market-research-report-from-iiwb-2008-presentation" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.slideshare.net/bkkissel/openid-foundation-market-research-report-from-iiwb-2008-presentation</a> This is just a summary from a more detailed report that Johannes initiated with an outside market research firm named Market Focus. Market Focus attended the Content Provider Advisory Committee meeting, then did a series of one-on-one interviews with several of the participants as well as other RPs, prospective RPs, and OPs. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; "><br>Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">==============</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Brian Kissel</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Cell: 503.866.4424</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy; ">Fax: 503.296.5502</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">general-bounces@openid.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">general-bounces@openid.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Messina<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, December 15, 2008 5:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Johannes Ernst<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>OpenID List</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future Board</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Johannes Ernst <jernst+<a href="http://openid.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">openid.net</a>@<a href="http://netmesh.us" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">netmesh.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>Re the CRC work: I personally got on the phone with every board member that I could get a hold of in the week before I asked for funding the external consultant -- you will recall that you and I talked about it, too, on the phone, prior to the board meeting. So I'm at loss to understand what you mean by not having been consulted.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This is a separate topic, but I searched around for the results of the CRC committee and all I came up with was this page (ported from the original wiki):<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><a href="https://openid.pbwiki.com/Customer-Research-Committee" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://openid.pbwiki.com/Customer-Research-Committee</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Are the results of this study available?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Chris <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Chris Messina<br>Citizen-Participant &<br> Open Technology Advocate-at-Large<br><a href="http://factoryjoe.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">factoryjoe.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>#<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://diso-project.org" target="_blank" style="color: blue; 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