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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We are not Facebook size, but we have ~50% of our customers
doing websso (redirect/auto-post) based handoffs; been operational for ~2 years
and targets consumers with mostly unmanaged PCs. I think you can legitimately call
it now part of the US critical infrastructure, given the amount of national
cash flow that depends on the service being available. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Is any of it best practices and auditable as such? No, no really.
But what do you expect for a few dollars, per user (that GSA office systems
procurers would not blink at paying $100 per user, for the security features
alone)? We must, of course, all do what we can with our reality. The existence and
our use of the various websso standards certainly helped.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>FaceBook’s rejection of third-party-developed websso standards
reminds of Lotus Notes, when Lotus (pre IBM purchase) just would not adopt
X.509 before 1995 (and maintained its own certificate/key management formats
from 1985, used it own funky secure email formats, and basically just would not
play with anyone else in the ball pit).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Luke
Shepard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 12, 2008 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Watkins; Nate Klingenstein<br>
<b>Cc:</b> diso-project; general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Facebook Connect in 8 minutes, feat Luke Shephard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>
my main point is that Facebook Connect violates best practices in obvious ways
that OpenID and other<br>
> technologies like SAML do not.<br>
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> And the Foundation and we mere OpenID users should make the case that<br>
> embedding unvetted Javascript is bad practice -- that Facebook Connect<br>
> is a poor alternative to OpenID not simply because it's proprietary and<br>
> does not scale, but because its current design is fundamentally flawed.<br>
<br>
Facebook has offered a means of logging in to a site doing a full page redirect
since August 2006. In the past two years, it has gotten basically zero adoption
because it’s a terrible user experience. For sites that are uncomfortable
embedding third-party Javascript, that is still out there today.<br>
<br>
The risk of embedding known, trusted, third-party Javascript is just not that
big for most of the big sites today. Many of the same sites implementing
Connect already embed Javascript – whether it be ads from Google, YUI
libraries, MooTools, JQuery, Prototype, ... whatever. As long as it’s from a
trusted source, it’s generally fine. Far more than the security risks are those
from stability, and we’ve worked hard to get our system to be very reliable.<br>
<br>
In short, the cost of implementing Connect or OpenID without the help of a
Javascript library is greater than the expected cost of a security breach by
embedding a third-party Javascript library. Hence, most businesses will choose
the library.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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