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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hmm. Worrying. But, at least we are talking about the old Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>First, there was denial (but a promise to be open)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Second, there was confidentiality obligation and trust imposed
on the 2 election officers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Third, there was denial of importance of the issue (since time
is “far too precious” for such trivia)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Third, rules are now being formulated to prevent pre-disclosure,
in favor of post-disclosure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Obviously, between the recent confidentiality rule and the no
pre-disclosure rule (suggestion), folks are learning what it means to “govern”
a (now formalized) community. From the type of instruments folks use to govern what
is invariably difficult set of politics, you get a feeling to the positions of
the candidates – and HOW they would use authority, once empowered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The most fun part is seeing which candidates avoid the issue,
and skulk in the background not wanting to be called upon for a position…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> David Fuelling
[mailto:sappenin@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 12, 2008 8:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future
Board<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I would be fine with such a
setup -- but anything like this should happen **post-election** in order to
avoid any kind of "October Surprise"[1] which would distract from the
task at hand -- namely, vetting and electing a new board. <br>
<br>
(though I still think the software that OIDF uses to vote should be open for
public inspection, if only ~eventutally~).<br>
<br>
David<br>
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[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Peter Williams <<a
href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Ill offer ~8h of my own time to
look at the openid-related part of the election software and its operational
configuration. Since it's my time (not Board time, not Community time) its too
important to folks if its wasted. I won't be offended if folks think I'm not
qualified to even look at the code, as a trained software engineer (25 years)
or professional security engineer (15+ years).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Now I don't even know what
language it was written in, or if I know it! But, it doesn't matter.
After 25 years of looking at other people's (usually legacy) code, Ive learned
to apply smell tests regardless of code or application problem. (I even managed
to dominate Boo for a week or two, used in one of the openid 1.1 libraries!)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If anything derails (pun) this
election, it's would be bad PR that the voting methods were not transparent -
particularly in the application of openid identity verification/validation. But
transparency is our own community metric.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Now, Of course this
voting apparatus would not not pass the public election laws on voting
machines; no one ever assumed it would! It's just a fun application of openid.
So let's see what people thought was important in the design/operating
criteria.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Formally, however, folks have a
situation in which we are promoting openid, by using it. (Great!) And,
folks are using are for a (highly) legal matter: grant certain authorities from
the incorporation documents to directors, officers, board secretaries, etc. Not
that I have the slightest authority, Id recommend as much transparency as folks
can afford. I'll thus offer 8h of my time (for free), focusing only on the use
made of the openid + https modules – as reflected in code and operational
config.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The code does not have to
even be compliable or executable. 30m phone time with its main programmer would
be helpful, to help navigate the code base and the organization of the
deployment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dick Hardt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 11, 2008 10:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sappenin@gmail.com" target="_blank">sappenin@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Several Questions for the Current & Future
Board</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On 11-Dec-08, at 10:30 PM, David Fuelling wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hey all,<br>
<br>
I have a few questions for either the current or future board members:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>What kind of software are we using for the
election, who created it, and will it be released publicly for
audit/inspection purposes?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo2'>Do current candidate have an opinion about
OIDF voting software being publicly inspectable/available?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Perhaps as a Canadian, I have trust in an
elections committee. While I have don't oppose the software being public -- I
think we have so many other things that are better use of our time.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo3'> <o:p></o:p></li>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4'>Does the OIDF currently make it's budget and
financial expenditure information public?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p>As Treasurer, I ensured that both were and are public information. They are
in the board mailing list archives.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'> <o:p></o:p></li>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo6'>Do current candidate have a position on
providing full financial transparency of OIDF moving forward?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p>I would hope we would continue on with the transparency.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>-- Dick<o:p></o:p></p>
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