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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Arn’t election-time
disputes fun! Candidates quickly become issue focused (once communications become
inflected with just a touch of invective)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You and I will be find ourselves
mostly in agreement on the future of openid I suspect - but will speak to
a different affiliation groups. If it doesn’t falter in the next 6
months, by bickering over money, influence and power-politics, OpenID has quite
a predictable curve ahead of it - driven by the strange duality of the websso
and UCI properties. Both properties necessarily contribute to what the openid momentum
is so far due to – though (I suspect) you and your affiliates may
disagree on the latter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We are now up to ~12 candidates
have demonstrated basic skills in openid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~5 have not. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If the illustrious Canadian in the
remaining ~5 wants to invest 15m at <a
href="http://bloggerindraft.blogspot.com/2007/11/new-feature-openid-commenting.html">http://bloggerindraft.blogspot.com/2007/11/new-feature-openid-commenting.html</a>
and post a list of his/her research papers, that’s fine. Is he or she the
one that just used a 13th century monarchy’s power to suspend the Canadian
parliament!?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My little rule set (now) calls
for *<b>any</b>* “even trivial” demonstration - showing a personal
endorsement of openid. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>The core criteria ensures that
the individual personally endorses the UCI property of openid – as
demonstrated by being publicly associated with at least one act of reliance on any
openid, issued by any OP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>And, Paul! Note, I don’t
have a vote. I have an endorsement. It’s a much more powerful instrument
of power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Since it is based on openid/UCI,
we will soon see how non discriminatory this election process has been. Util
proven otherwise, I assume it will be run in practice using the kind of election
rules US history is unfortunately infamous for, world-side: rigged to dis-enfranchise
certain groups of folks (year after year, decade after decade, century
after century). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>We will now see, in our little
sphere, if my voters’ CA(s) are excluded from those the election software
will accept, and thus the election policy – as manifest in the practices
used to configure the software -prevents my voters’ https openid being actually
used - when certain members’ cast their ballot using their choice of openid
provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>As the election process becomes
clearer, these issues will surely all fall out and become accepted - in the wash
of the next 2 weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Paul Madsen
[mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Voting confidentiality<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Peter, seems to me that the challenges OpenID faces are no
longer primarily technical, and so criteria that might have been valid 1-2
years ago are no longer necessarily so. <br>
<br>
I'd rather have had the candidates debating each other's policies on those
challenges these last 2 weeks than defending the (surely built-in) OpenID
support of whatever blogging platform they use (or challenging their respective
corporate affiliations).<br>
<br>
Regardless, you vote your way, I'll do the same.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
Peter Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’d be embarrassed,
personally, if I was standing for a non-profit corporation’s board seat
on one that is fundamentally a technology initiative - and never had
personally used the technology I will be offering my ”counsel”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So, who is it? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Please unmask the name of
(Canadian?) Candidate who cannot show s/he has *<b>used</b>* openid, personally
or professionally.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Who is it who cannot be bothered
to spend 10m on Blogger and see an openid experience. Who cannot be bothered to
spent 5m on myopenid, get an openid, and leave a comment on their own
blogger site?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m used to high power
folk on high power Boards, Paul. But this isn’t a high power board. So
far, it’s been a bunch or pretty average programmer types turned product
managers. And there is nothing wrong with that. That’s how the web was
won in the first place, by the CERN-3 contingent. We even have one of them in
our midst!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Paul Madsen [<a
href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com">mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Voting confidentiality</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Whether or not their blog, wiki etc supports OpenID is way
down on my list of criteria for a qualified candidate for the board.<br>
<br>
I don't expect Canadian politicians to be active research scientists - but
rather to create, fund & push policies that support scientific research.<br>
<br>
paul<br>
<br>
Peter Williams wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~6 of 17 folks have reported
that openid actually makes at least a little difference to their life on the
web: there is evidence they have bothered to integrate it with their own
or their professional blog site.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>~11 have not indicated that they
actually use openid (in practice). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ok. Ill open up the rules a bit.
The candidate’s claim to be ACUTALLY using openid does not have to be a
blog comment form. It could be a wiki, or a registration site they manage,
or…**anything** (in public) that I can apply myopenid. Ideally, I should
be able to find the openid logo (so I don’t hit the initial Snorri
situation). If your firm is selling travel wiki software, and its customers are
using openid in practice to flog airtickets, that’s fine! Anything will
do!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">general-bounces@openid.net</a> [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">mailto:general-bounces@openid.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Jones<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [OpenID] Voting confidentiality</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>We have 17 great candidates for 7 positions. Please
cast your votes!<o:p></o:p></p>
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-- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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