<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This is also something where Scott and I have been really cognizant of as we blog on OpenID.net and the software choices we've made on the site the past few years.<div><br></div><div>--David</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Dec 5, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Chris Messina wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">+1.<div><br></div><div>I find myself in a bit of a tough spot, as Janrain is a competitor to my employer, but I think that's it's completely above the pale to strive to maintain vendor neutrality, regardless of the vendor. </div> <div><br></div><div>I also have no problem using a vendor product if it serves the needs and interests of the foundation if 1) the relationship between the vendor and foundation is made clear 2) the decision-making process for selecting the product is transparent and 3) efforts are made to make the use of the product transparent and to not appear as though the foundation does or does not endorse the vendor or the product.</div> <div><br></div><div>I'm guessing that in this case a decision was made off-the-cuff and no special treatment was rendered, but it sets a poor precedent for subsequent decisions, and is something that I believe is covered in Section 5.14 of the byaws on conflicts of interest.</div> <div><br></div><div>Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Eran Hammer-Lahav <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eran@hueniverse.com">eran@hueniverse.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"> <div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Oh.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I didn't know that; which now makes sense because I did notice the weird RP URL when asked to approve the request.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Without taking anything away from the quality of the product, it does raise the question of should the OpenID foundation site endorse a vendor product, or at least with some clear disclaimer explaining the relationship. I don't know what decision-making process was used to install the new login flow, but I think it should have included addressing such concerns to make sure we keep the foundation as vendor-neutral as possible.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The fact that I had no idea a commercial product was being used (I played with the JanRain product when it first came out but forgot about it and didn't make the association) make me feel a little bit tricked… It is still a solid product and the closest thing I have seen so far in terms of usability, but the issue here is purely political, not technical.</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">EHL</span></p><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <div> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> DeWitt Clinton [mailto:<a href="mailto:dewitt@unto.net" target="_blank">dewitt@unto.net</a>] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 05, 2008 10:07 AM<div class="Ih2E3d"><br> <b>To:</b> Steven Livingstone-Perez<br> <b>Cc:</b> Eran Hammer-Lahav; <a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a><br> </div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Changes to the OpenID Foundation member page login</span></p> </div> </div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I believe this particular bit of awesomeness is due to the JanRain RPX solution:<br> <br> <a href="http://www.janrain.com/products/rpx" target="_blank">http://www.janrain.com/products/rpx</a><br> <br> -DeWitt</p> <div><p>On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Steven Livingstone-Perez <<a href="mailto:weblivz@hotmail.com" target="_blank">weblivz@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</p><p>I agree - and it's all working great for me now too :) I can vote!<br> <br> Well done.<br> <span style="color:#888888"><br> Steven.</span></p> <div> <div><p><br> -----Original Message-----<br> From: <a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a>] On<br> Behalf Of Eran Hammer-Lahav<br> Sent: 05 December 2008 17:53<br> To: <a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a><br> Subject: [OpenID] Changes to the OpenID Foundation member page login<br> <br> Sweet!<br> <br> The new login flow is such a dramatic improvement (and a really good<br> reference for future usability discussions) that it is almost worth $25 just<br> to play with. 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