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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>5 or 6 months ago. Perhaps a bit longer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I was aggressively promoting openid2 , paying TrustBearer to be our
OP and was hoping to similarly promote pbwiki at the time. I was hoping
to arrange business grade websso so that our customers could easily USE openid to
a BUSINESS-grade wiki service. Sounded like a winwin for everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The key issue was “business-grade” for a consumer-grade
audience – it has to work in commodity-grade, unmanged , consumer PCs,
generating less than 1 phone call year per user. A $15-cost phone call …to
solve/not-solve an authentication/logon issue eliminates most of the annual profitability
margin per user (in our industry). The pbwiki service was fine and a GREAT openid
integration, when it worked. The QA simply prevented business, however. I
cannot go tell my consumer-grade home PC users to go figure which browser plugin
to eliminate, as one of their behaviors is influencing the outcome of the HTML events
race. And I cannot afford the phone call to fix it for them. There must
is not enough margin per user, to spend 15m on the phone diagnosing PC settings
..in even 0.1% of our user population.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Chris Messina
[mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> david@sixapart.com; general@openid.net List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] The Wiki<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>When did you last attempt to sign in with your OpenID?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:02 AM, Peter Williams <<a
href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>No Objection (in fact it WOULD be great), but I could never
successfully interwork with pbwiki (unlike lots of other third-party SPs, with
the same myopenid I've used since day#1).<br>
<br>
Working with their support team failed to resolve my particular issue. AS far
as I could tell, it was generalized; they saw differently. (Their particular
HTML design's event handling nesting allowed race conditions). I personally
gave up, not happy with myself for doing so.<o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">general-bounces@openid.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">general-bounces@openid.net</a>]
On Behalf Of David Recordon<br>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 12:15 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a> List<br>
Subject: [OpenID] The Wiki<br>
<br>
Starting to work on the wiki (<a href="http://wiki.openid.net/" target="_blank">http://wiki.openid.net/</a>)
and remember<br>
why I'm not the largest fan of running your own MediaWiki<br>
installation. I've also made a change so that the default skin is now<br>
set back to the MediaWiki default instead of the OpenID one that Mart<br>
made since a) it was hard to read and b) the site no longer uses that<br>
design anyway.<br>
<br>
I know that Chris Messina setup a "fan wiki" at <a
href="http://openid.pbwiki.com/" target="_blank">http://openid.pbwiki.com/</a><br>
as well. When we originally installed the OpenID Wiki we chose to<br>
self host MediaWiki since none of the hosted wiki services supported<br>
OpenID. Now that PBWiki has good OpenID support, I'd personally like<br>
to see us move to using it. We can copy over the useful information<br>
on the current wiki and set it up so that <a href="http://wiki.openid.net"
target="_blank">wiki.openid.net</a> points at<br>
the PBWiki Chris created.<br>
<br>
Anyone strongly object to this approach? I think it will be easier to<br>
work with, has better OpenID support than MediaWiki, and is one less<br>
thing for Scott and I to manage on the OpenID.net box.<br>
<br>
--David<br>
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