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Hi Chris, to clarify. I wasn't suggesting that OpenID should be
'invisible', just :<br>
<br>
1) pointing out that SAML is (except in some rare cases)<br>
2) large OPs appears to be heading in that direction<br>
3) posing the question as to whether a user that is 'aware' of OpenID
is better off than another oblivious to the fact (I don't know the
answer)<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Chris Messina wrote:
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cite="mid:1bc4603e0811180719q5cc4598au8947eed2f32be7d1@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">There have been subsequent responses that I thought were
interesting and worth sharing:
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Paul suggests that the study amounts to "navel gazing" and that
OpenID should be a background technology, like SAML, and users
shouldn't have to become aware of it -- thus, this survey is asking the
wrong question (i.e. who cares whether people identity or know what
OpenID is?).</div>
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<div>I talked about branding OpenID in one of my subsequent posts, so
I won't rehash my thoughts on that here.<br>
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://idlogger.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/statistical-entrails-reading/"
target="_blank">http://idlogger.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/statistical-entrails-reading/</a><br>
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<div>Jeff Bohren follows up and suggests that the larger OpenID
providers (here's lookin' at you, Yahoo and AOL) who have been up for
awhile should be sharing statistics on use of their endpoints, *EVEN*
if (as I suspect), adoption and usage are infinitesimally small, so
that we can gauge uptake over time.</div>
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<div>It would seem to me that this is work that the OIDF should be
facilitating, and something that Brian Kissel, vis-a-vis the marketing
team, should be working on.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>What needs to happen to get the large (or even smaller) OPs to
start providing data about use of accounts with OpenID? Maybe Brian
Ellin could throw something up on AppEngine to aggregate these numbers?</div>
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<div>Chris</div>
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<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Nat
Sakimura <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sakimura@gmail.com" target="_blank">sakimura@gmail.com</a>></span>
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+100 !<br>
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<div>On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Brian Kissel <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bkissel@janrain.com"
target="_blank">bkissel@janrain.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Congrats
Chris, well done!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Cheers,</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;"><br>
Brian</span></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">==============</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Brian Kissel</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Cell:
503.866.4424</span></b></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: navy;">Fax:
503.296.5502</span></b></p>
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<p><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt;">
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href="mailto:user-experience-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">user-experience-bounces@openid.net</a>
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<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Chris Messina<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 14, 2008 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> OpenID List; diso-project; OpenID user experience<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brynn Evans; Luke Sontag; Scott Kveton<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [QUAR] Re: Independent study on OpenID awareness
using
Mechanical Turk<br>
<b>Importance:</b> Low</span></p>
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<p> </p>
<p>ZDNet picked up the study:</p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Chris</p>
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<p>On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Chris Messina <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chris.messina@gmail.com"
target="_blank">chris.messina@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p>Wanted to share the results of a study that Brynn Evans and
I completed at the end of October:</p>
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<p><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://tr.im/mturk_openid"
target="_blank">http://tr.im/mturk_openid</a><br clear="all">
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<p>It cost me about $6 to collect responses from 301 people on
Mechanical Turk. I felt that it was important to look into a wider
sample size
than Yahoo's study which was composed of 9 female Yahoo members in
their
thirties. In particular, many people drew conclusions from that small
sample
size about OpenID's awareness that I felt were unfounded and decided to
seek
out an independent analysis of a larger data set.</p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>The original source data is available here:</p>
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<p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kOhPusNx8Kycg"
target="_blank">http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pSGbbhtwI4kOhPusNx8Kycg</a></p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>Thoughts welcomed,</p>
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<p>Chris</p>
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