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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If there were a clean way for the RP to
pass the “display identifier” and let the OP return both that and a
safe, persistent identifier as the claimed identity (either a hash URL or an
XRI i-number), it would solve many usability problems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>=Drummond <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Recordon<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 29, 2008
7:48 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Andrew Arnott<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> OpenID List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID] OpenID based
on email addresses... Just Works!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yeah, I think this
general approach with the addition of knowing it is an email, doing directed
identity, and passing the email as OpenID.identity is a good one. I really
prefer to find a simple solution that doesn't involve running a mapping service
or mucking with DNS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>---<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sent from my iPhone Classic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On Oct 29, 2008, at 7:44 AM, "Andrew Arnott" <<a
href="mailto:andrewarnott@gmail.com">andrewarnott@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This method does use
directed identity, but as such it does <span class=apple-style-span><i><span
style='font-style:italic'>not</span></i></span> provide the email address
in the openid.identity field and it would be contrary to the spec to do so.
Perhaps though you were suggesting that a future version support this?
(I would be in favor of investigating this as well). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, David Recordon <<a
href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com"></a><a href="mailto:drecordon@sixapart.com">drecordon@sixapart.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm a fan of this method, basically doing the directed identity flow
and passing the user input (<a href="mailto:daveman692@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:daveman692@yahoo.com">daveman692@yahoo.com</a>)
in as openid.identity in the request.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>--David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Andrew Arnott wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I was going through the logs of <a
href="http://nerdbank.org/RP/login.aspx" target="_blank">my test RP</a> and
was surprised to see what looked like the efforts of someone who didn't
understand how OpenID worked. One of the attempts included just using a
Yahoo! email address. Guess what?! It worked.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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It worked because (at least in .NET), the URL may validly include a user@
portion, as has been discussed on this list recently. It's just quietly
dropped. That left "<a href="http://yahoo.com" target="_blank"></a><a
href="http://yahoo.com">http://yahoo.com</a>" as the identifier to perform
discovery on, which of course worked. To the user, the experience is
nearly perfect. They see Yahoo where they must log in, choose an
identifier, and then return to the RP. The only weirdness is that although
the Claimed Identifier will always be right, if for prettiness' sake the RP
were to display the user-supplied-identifier as the user originally typed it in
that it might not match who actually logged into Yahoo. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>For instance, I can type in <a href="mailto:yourname@yahoo.com"
target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:yourname@yahoo.com">yourname@yahoo.com</a>
and completely log in, even though that's not my email address. The
claimed ID is mine, and that's what really matters, but it's a little quirky
(from the end user's perspective) that I can type in anyone's yahoo email
address and it just works. As a new user I may think that I managed to
log in as someone else. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Again, I know <i><span style='font-style:italic'>why </span></i>all
this works based on the spec and my implementation of it; I just didn't expect
that email discovery would come without at least some work (perhaps to trim off
the username@ part). So I was pleasantly surprised.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Anyway, something to think about.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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