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Peter, to be honest I myself was unaware of all the subtle undertones
of my seemingly simple request for line numbers but, now that you have
hilited them for me, I'm actually a little disappointed in myself to be
part of such political maneuvers.<br>
<br>
paul<br>
<br>
p.s. In my innocence, I had thought that line numbers would actually
enable open discussion on the lists. Again, I apologize for my naivete.<br>
<br>
Peter Williams wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I don’t
believe in lines for
email-based standards processes; on this I like the way IETF does it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">There is
a wider issue, beyond simple
citation by line numbers, in MY view. Their lack forces people to argue
the issues
(ad nauseam) in their own words. This has a nice side effect of
teaching the passive
listeners, too. In general, all this promotes transparency, is
inclusive, and
puts barriers into the adoption of “expert culture”. It does have a
downside: email overload.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Standardization
can quickly become
backroom deals, which favors folks with access, who have funds for
travel and conferences,
or who belong to particular other Boards, trading groups or investment
funds.
In some forums, that is the prevailing culture (and I don’t belong,
there
). In other forums, with grassroots-based missions (like UCI), the
process often
entails design that retains the grassroots focus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">When the
passion of the argument
is evident, and when viewing the language use and phrasing of the
arguer over
time, you can typically see from which constituency they hail. At that
point,
you can look on at the consensus of constituencies and gauge the social
value
of the standardization of the market.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">general-bounces@openid.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net">mailto:general-bounces@openid.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Madsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike Jones<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:specs@openid.net">specs@openid.net</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SPAM]Re: [OpenID] PAPE Specification Review Period
Commencing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mike, if there were an official line numbered
version, it
would enable people providing comments against specific lines<br>
<br>
Or is there another preferred mechanism for feedback?<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
Mike Jones wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The OpenID Provider Authentication Policy
Extension (PAPE)
Working Group recommends approval of PAPE Draft 7 as an OpenID
Specification. The draft is available at these locations:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-07.html">http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-07.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-07.txt">http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-07.txt</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This note starts the 60 day public review period
for the
specification draft in accordance with the OpenID Foundation IPR
policies and
procedures. This review period will end on Sunday, December 21st.
Unless issues are identified during the review that the working group
believes
must be addressed by revising the draft, this review period will be
followed by
a seven day voting period during which OpenID Foundation members will
vote on
whether to approve this draft as an OpenID Specification.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As background, the proposal to create the
working group,
which the membership approved, is available at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002323.html">http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002323.html</a>.
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is
available at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002326.html">http://openid.net/pipermail/specs/2008-May/002326.html</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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-- Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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