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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Actually I also had an interesting conversation with someone looking
to do work for a large organization here in the UK who are looking at how to
integrate their use of Athens/Shibboleth and OpenID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>They were interested in how you could manage roles in that
scenario too – after I explained to them to more user centric nature of openid,
w.r.t to Athens.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Steven<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven
Livingstone-Perez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 22 May 2008 09:02<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nate Klingenstein'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] differentiating users<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Nate – thanks for that. I will look into this. I also agree
with you on URL’s for attributes – like in OWL/RDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do remember all the attributes of LDAP that I don’t think
anyone ever used! I think the whole idea of distributed discoverable and
sharable attributes is a different but very useful area. Be interesting if
anyone is looking into an online library to find this kind of stuff for OpenID?
We don’t need 50 versions of “Role” or “FavouriteBook”. If no one has such a
library yet I may do something on it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I haven’t used the extended attributes in OpenID 2 much yet so
if you have some useful pointers it would be much appreciated. But I’m checking
out just now anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Steven<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://weblivz.openid.org">http://weblivz.openid.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nate Klingenstein
[mailto:ndk@internet2.edu] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 21 May 2008 23:59<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Livingstone-Perez<br>
<b>Cc:</b> general@openid.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] differentiating users<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Steven,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Federated identity is full of network effects. This is
one of them. The more people that understand an attribute you're using,
the more powerful it is. On the other hand, many applications and communities
have attributes that carry nuances not shared with the rest of the world, so
they can't recycle an existing attribute. We have eduPersonEntitlement
for precisely this use case, and you're welcome to look at it, but it's
probably outside your domain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I like URL's for attribute names because they could be
easily resolved to acquire more information about the attribute someday.
OpenID's AX supports that well already.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Deciding which attribute to use, what to name it, and whether
to recycle is an art and not a science, though. Sometimes it's more
effective to keep fine-grained attributes and permissions at the service, as
well. Some things aren't meant to be centralized. Look at the
successful and failed attributes the LDAP/X.500 world ended up with for some
good examples on where to draw the line. Perhaps in your case:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>openid.ax.type.(applicationName)Role=<a
href="http://yourdomain.org/applicationName/Role">http://yourdomain.org/applicationName/Role</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>openid.ax.value.(applicationNameRole)=private<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Have fun in the colorful world of attributes,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Nate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 21 May 2008, at 19:58, Steven Livingstone-Perez wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I had considered that some attribute “role” with a value
yourdomain.org/private and yourdomain.org/public could be universally
understood (due to the namespace uniqueness). Even without the namespace this
could be useful!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Has anyone got more info on how that have , or perhaps intend to
accomplish this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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