<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Peter, <div><br></div><div>You're seeing ill intent where there's none.</div><div>This was a presentation of technical & non-technical observations (some good, other ones bad) we</div><div>made when we deployed (and analyzed) OpenID for Sun employees.</div><div>Surely you'll agree people (and Companies) can have opinions on the pros & cons of OpenID?</div><div><div><br></div><div>I'm sorry to hear Sun failed to impress you but as far as I know we're hardly the only ones being "only" an idp.</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Hubert</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><html>On Apr 11, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Peter Williams wrote:</html><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I should opine more.<br><br>Im currently of the opinion that certain folks aligned with liberty alliance are engaged in a messaging campaign of dubious repute. I was VERY depressed at an rsa conference session by folks from sun, for example. Couched in entirely valid technical analysis were a series of corporate non-endorsement messages (in my view). I'm wizened enough in silicon valley politics to know to contrast the frontroom from the backroom signals.<br><br>I was not impressed by sun being just yet another idp (that also ran) vs an rp. Being an idp takes no effort.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Peter Williams <<a href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>><br>Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:23 PM<br>To: Paul Madsen <<a href="mailto:paulmadsen@rogers.com">paulmadsen@rogers.com</a>>; Will Merydith <<a href="mailto:will.merydith@gmail.com">will.merydith@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a> <<a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [OpenID] Supporting OpenID<br><br>Why do you say this?<br><br><br><br>2) what you perceive as Google support for OpenID actually has nothing <br>to to with Google<br><br><br>Google may have started as as search engine, but it presented itself (and its subsidiarues) as a manged service provider at the rsa show, like a hundred others vying for control over the cloud.<br>_______________________________________________<br>general mailing list<br><a href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</a><br>http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general<br>_______________________________________________<br>general mailing list<br>general@openid.net<br>http://openid.net/mailman/listinfo/general<br></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hubert A. 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