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color:#1F497D'>I’m a little confused as to why we’re conflating open source and
OpenID… Not that there’s something wrong with FOSS, but if our point is “It’s
not open if you ‘allow’ sites to use your IDs but you won’t use theirs”, I don’t
see what the release policy of the source code you run the service on has to do
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general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David
Recordon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Williams<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a
call tothe FSOSS community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So, I wonder how of the 11,000
places that accept openid are Google blogspots?</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>JanRain
counts once per site. Thus every Blogger blog combined = 1.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ignoring the
flames, I think Tom's idea is a great one no matter what anyone else may or may
not be doing. Having 10 FOSS projects talking together about what they're
doing with OpenID is wonderful.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 27, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Peter Williams wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>I
not sure which cause folks are gearing up for a fight over.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Its pretty
obviously true that the traditional mega-plexes (LiveID, Yahoo, AOL) are trying
to exercise a disapportionate amount of control - when offering a UCI identity
yet being unwilling to rely on those of others. This is somewhat like
LiveJournal spewing our FOAF files, that nobody can rely upon - for anything
particularly useful. Its all a very nice PR gimmick ... which was the
journalist's main point (as paraphrased by Peter).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>At least
Google is bucking the trend, by offering to be SAML2 or openid relying
party (within a Google-as-TTP-SP-Hub risk model and when whichever protocol
best fits (currently) the app domain).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Google is
giving away free SAML2 IDP code... open source style. Its promoting outsourcing
your IDP to an id-broker bureau ... in its newest Google Apps service
(albeit SAML2, for now). Dont criticise *them* for having a lack of open source
commitement! Obviously, there is no shortage of openid open source
materials to talk to Google's blog service.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So, I
wonder how of the 11,000 places that accept openid are Google blogspots?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I think we
need a better definition of "adoption", so our cliams stays credible
- acting as a trustworthy indicator for professional journalists, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> David Recordon<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thu 3/27/2008 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> tom<br>
<b>Cc:</b> OpenID List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OpenID] Putting the "open" back into OpenID - a
call to the FSOSS community</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><pre style='WORD-WRAP: break-word'>Hey Tom,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Between LiveJournal and now Movable Type Open Source, we're game. I'd <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>love to see this end up as something published by the Foundation, for <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>whatever that ends up meaning. :)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>--David<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:07 PM, tom wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Hello folks,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> I am fed up with those "I get the ID but not the open" comments that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> arrive under blogs written about OpenID. [ latest here -><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> <a
href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/24/is-openid-being-exploited-by-the-big-internet-companies/">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/24/is-openid-being-exploited-by-the-big-internet-companies/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> ]<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> It's time to fight back and it's the Free software and Open source<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> (FSOSS) community that can best explain why OpenID is open and how the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> FSOSS is using it in an open way.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> We (Barnraiser) have three amazing [being humble] free software <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> products<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> built around OpenID. We've been able to do that because it's open. We<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> wish to collaborate with 9 other members of the FSOSS community to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> write<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> an article entitled "10 FSOSS initiatives embracing OpenID" and we <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> want<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> to publish that to Slashdot, Techcrunch etc.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> We are looking for 9 other great, amazing and insanely awesome FSOSS<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> projects that want to join with us in being in the article, so if you<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> are one of those please write to me with a few sentences outlining <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> your<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> project to me.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Tom<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> -- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Tom Calthrop<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Founding director, Barnraiser.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Dedicated to giving people the tools they need to share<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> knowledge and advance society through social software.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>> Web site: <a
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