Chris, <br><br>Thanks for your reminder. In terms of your....<br><br><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">"
I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned here. There seem to be a lot</span><br style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">
of forces pulling at OpenID nowdays, just like SPF had."</span><br><br>...comment, I'd at least suggest that it makes for a compelling case that the large-ish OpenID community of individuals, developers, passionate evangelists, skeptical pioneers, early adopters, and such would do very well to become part of OIDF and keep on interacting assiduously with the Board members, the specs editors, new working groups and their new activities. <br>
<br>Call me crazy, but I could even imagine significant immediate value accruing to OpenID specs efforts and to the OpenID community Board of tomorrow if large numbers of people today actually took the opportunity now to help sustain the community's future influence by joining the OpenID Foundation as a show of will, of good faith, and of determination to see the center grow in strength.<br>
<br>cheers,<br>-bill<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Jaco Aizenman <<a href="mailto:skorpio@gmail.com">skorpio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+1<br><br>For this to happen -OpenID succeeding and not becoming another SenderID-, the right people need to be at the right places, and definitely having Bill Washburn as an Executive Director, is a wise decision that significantly increases the probability of success!. <br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Drummond Reed <<a href="mailto:drummond.reed@cordance.net" target="_blank">drummond.reed@cordance.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Chris,<br>
<br>
You are a wise man with the scars to show for it.<br>
<br>
Thank you for giving us a good example to cite if anyone sees a "SenderID"<br>
happening to OpenID.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
=Drummond<br>
</font><div><div></div><div><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Chris Drake [mailto:<a href="mailto:christopher@pobox.com" target="_blank">christopher@pobox.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:02 PM<br>
> To: Drummond Reed<br>
> Cc: 'Bill Washburn'; 'Peter Williams'; <a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a><br>
> Subject: Re[2]: [OpenID] Affliating OpenID sign ups<br>
><br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Does anyone remember SPF? It was a brilliant standard to block email<br>
> forgery. Microsoft started out trying to compete (Caller-ID for<br>
> Email) but since the open SPF standard had more momentum, MS jumped on<br>
> board (with a re-name to SenderID) - after taking out a stack of<br>
> patents to confuse the issue. Next, Yahoo thought they could do<br>
> better so they ripped off the idea (DomainKeys), which of course<br>
> didn't do better, so they modified it (and renamed to DKIM).<br>
> Finally - pretty much everyone lost the plot (the plot was to prevent<br>
> email forgery, and everyone lost it when they lost the ability to<br>
> understand the difference between spam and forgery. Everyone knew<br>
> spammers would simply start signing spam, so none of it was ever about<br>
> anti-spam work - but hey). All the standards now have retrofitted<br>
> dodgey new anti-spam ideas, so we now have SPFv2 which isn't<br>
> compatible with SPF, isn't distinguishable from SPFv1, and forces all<br>
> the original SPF authors to upgrade to v2, or suffer<br>
> false-positive-nightmares. And we have DKIM which simply destroys the<br>
> entire markets of email middleware, forwarding, maillinglists, and so<br>
> on, all while hiking up false-positive problems for everyone.<br>
><br>
> I'm sure there's a lesson to be learned here. There seem to be a lot<br>
> of forces pulling at OpenID nowdays, just like SPF had.<br>
><br>
> Kind Regards,<br>
> Chris Drake,<br>
> =<a href="http://1id.com" target="_blank">1id.com</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> Friday, March 14, 2008, 10:41:43 AM, you wrote:<br>
><br>
> DR> +1. Well said, Bill. I would go so far asto say some of the<br>
> DR> corporations now involved are here BECAUSE it is acommunity-led<br>
> DR> effort. The only way that would ever change is if the<br>
> DR> communitystops leading.<br>
><br>
> DR><br>
><br>
> DR> Given the set of voices we have here…Idon't see that happening any<br>
> time soon ;-)<br>
><br>
> DR><br>
><br>
> DR> =Drummond<br>
><br>
> DR><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> DR> <a href="mailto:From:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">From:general-bounces@openid.net</a><br>
> DR> [mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a>] On Behalf Of Bill Washburn<br>
> DR> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 20085:08 PM<br>
> DR> To: Peter Williams<br>
> DR> Cc: <a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a><br>
> DR> Subject: Re: [OpenID] AffliatingOpenID sign ups<br>
><br>
><br>
> DR><br>
><br>
> DR> Hey...Peter,<br>
><br>
> DR> Dare to make a positive difference! Why don't you fight the<br>
> DR> good fightand help the OpenID *community* flourish by doing a good<br>
> DR> thing: joining,voting, helping make the mettle of governance in<br>
> DR> the community a littlestronger with your strident opinions? Or as<br>
> DR> the old saying goes, Ratherthan shout at the darkness, light a<br>
> DR> candle.<br>
><br>
> DR> As I see it, there are no immutable laws of the universe,<br>
> DR> natural or otherwise,written in stone somewhere that compel the<br>
> DR> inevitability of your logic thatcorporate interests must win and<br>
> DR> community interests must suffer. OIDF is fully an intentional<br>
> DR> design by the OpenID Foundation Board to sustainand help the<br>
> DR> OpenID community. Help us keep the founding charter as itcame<br>
> DR> from Brad et al. to serve everyone freely as envisioned.<br>
> DR> Indeed,this intentional community is known well to the entire<br>
> DR> Board. Nothing elsewould do.<br>
><br>
> DR> cheers,<br>
> DR> -bill<br>
><br>
> DR> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Peter Williams<br>
> DR> <<a href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com" target="_blank">pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
> DR> Affiliation protocols for OPs and the clickpass' idea (sp-centric<br>
> trust<br>
> DR> model enforcement) are both topics that could be standardized to make<br>
> an<br>
> DR> open market - addressing RPs.<br>
><br>
> DR> But, the point of being a(ny) board member is to ensure that only<br>
> DR> "certain" standards activities are actually authorized/endorsed bythe<br>
> DR> "Board" : the ones that benefit your investments. Then you"present"<br>
> the<br>
> DR> rationale as "community interest", and "common good", etcetc - as to<br>
> DR> why certain things are not engaged in.<br>
><br>
> DR> If like ICANN/DNS you had community board members per grassroot<br>
> DR> involvement, who get all "user-interest focused" vs<br>
> DR> "corporate/money/defense focused" you change the governance rules so<br>
> DR> there simply are no more community board seats :-). Only<br>
> govt/corporate<br>
> DR> types are allowed in the club.<br>
><br>
> DR> Be fun to see how long the "nobody owns this" philosophy lasts, nowbig<br>
> DR> money is in the air. I give it 6 months, till folks are fighting in<br>
> the<br>
> DR> backroom over stuff. Nobody owns it will suddenly turn into ... well<br>
> DR> what we meant on referred "the core protocol". Of course!"service<br>
> DR> innovations" are allowed (that the Board will not allow to be<br>
> DR> standardized) that only some parties will own!<br>
><br>
> DR> Governance is hard. The early adoptors have to have some early lead -<br>
> to<br>
> DR> payoff the bets and investments. But, standards means they don't get<br>
> DR> much of a head start, over the mere "followers". Governance issupposed<br>
> DR> to allow politics to manage those contrary goals. Governance always<br>
> DR> tests the mettle of a community.<br>
><br>
> DR> Peter.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: general-bounces@openid.net[mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces@openid.net" target="_blank">general-bounces@openid.net</a>]<br>
> DR> On<br>
> >> Behalf Of Chris Obdam<br>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 10:26 AM<br>
> >> To: <a href="mailto:general@openid.net" target="_blank">general@openid.net</a><br>
> >> Subject: [OpenID] Affliating OpenID sign ups<br>
> >><br>
> >> Hi,<br>
> >><br>
> >> myOpenID facilitates OpenID consumers a sign p service. It's called<br>
> >> affliliating. Are there plans integrating this kind of functionality<br>
> >> in to OpenID?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Greetings,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Chris Obdam<br>
> >> OpenID Netherlands<br>
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