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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>> </span></font>There are and will be
many sites which will trust only their own or a very narrow choice of OpenID
providers.<font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Which in my opinion is quite fine –
it could for instance be a university website that only allowed access to
people with an OpenID issued by that university.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But that’s not the problem with the
Yahoo! and other’s buttons – these are simply logos that wants to
promote a specific OP. They don’t restrict you to that OP – you can
still use your OpenID in addition to the button. Nothing wrong with the OpenID specs
and design.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It’s just like banner ads promoting
specific Ops – and the sad thing is that the login windows will now get
cluttered with these logo-ads, when we could have sticked to one single OpenID
input. But, hmmmm, thinking about it – OpenID wants you to put the OpenID
logo right beside the OpenID input, isn’t that just as bad </span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Wingdings><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Wingdings;color:navy'>J</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But it is probably unavoidable – if Yahoo!
and others implement OpenID then they want to make sure everybody knows it and use
them as OPs since it will drive traffic to their sites. Had it not been
logo-buttons then it had been something else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards, Jørn <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Wildt</st1:PersonName><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> general-bounces@openid.net
[mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Eddy Nigg (StartCom Ltd.)<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12. marts 2008 16:06<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> tom<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> OpenID List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [OpenID] OpenID; a
single choice</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>tom: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Is it only me that has an <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>issue with this given that before long pages will be covered with many <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>logos and that I'll end up having to search for the OpenID logo?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>I appreciate the "open" aspects of OpenID, but for the user would it not <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>be better to have the browser manufacturers agree on a way to store an <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>OpenID and auto-direct to my OP rather than giving the user a zillion <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>logos on a screen?<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>This has been anticipated
and was obvious (even by design). OpenID has refused to address the issues of a
trust point or federated network of OpenID operators and this is the result.
There are and will be many sites which will trust only their own or a very
narrow choice of OpenID providers.<br>
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When making these suggestions more then 1 1/2 years ago I was booed down....something
about "taking away the freedom to operate randomly OPs" was mentioned
many times. Well, you can blame these idiots today for refusing to address this
issue, because, yeah...their freedom is going to be taken away by reality now,
and not by providing and organizing a framework which would have allow RPs to
trust OPs according to agreed rules and accepted standards. In a federated
network of OPs and some established criteria everybody could trust anybody....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
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