Hey fellow P. the Pleb!, sorry for my delay because of my non-virtual activities..., my answers below... ;-)<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/4/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Peter Williams</b> <<a href="mailto:pwilliams@rapattoni.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
pwilliams@rapattoni.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You are saying that if I use a virtual openID in a virtual
reality community issued by a virtual OP, I can still be accountable for acts performed
and representations made in the real world.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Depends on the contract you signed with the virtual OP and the laws of your country... <br><br></div><div>I am saying that this kind of questions most probably will be answered in the future by Supreme Judges (constitutional Judges) in every country... (after the virtual personality human right is included in the Constitution)
<br> <br>BTW, what do you mean by a <span style="font-style: italic;">virtual openID?. </span>Is there any <span style="font-style: italic;">non-virtual </span>(<span style="font-style: italic;">presential </span>as opposed to
<span style="font-style: italic;">virtual</span>) openID?<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
If a (SAML2 pseudonym NameID-based) naming firewall between the virtual
reality world and the real world is breached, yes the nastygram I sent in my
virtual presence via my virtual OpenID (as verified using assertions of my
virtual infocard) can be used to hold me accountable in Thailand today when it
adjudged that my persona did defame the King of Thailand enthroned in 1550.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>This depend on the legislation of the country where you are being processed...<br><br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Or, yes, you can be legally recognized as an unindicted co-conspirator,
and - yes - employers need not hire you because of that (legal) fact. Have a
formal arrest record (as witness, merely) that is also lawful basis for
discrimination.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Again, this depends on the legislation of the country where you are being processed... <br><br>BTW, the constitutional amendment to this new fundamental right specifically mentions that "it can not be used for discriminatory ends harming its bearer".
<br><br>BTW, please note that virtual personality(2) it is not just about content, like the Thailand example you wrote, but also about <span style="text-decoration: underline; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">presence
</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic; text-decoration: underline;">projection</span>.<br><br>Another relevant change is the contract editions that the OP, IdP and others will have to make, if they want to have a contract and business that it is legal and not illegal. An example of what Google and MSN may have to change is here:
<br> <br><a href="http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfdrkkds_70gsm7tj">http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfdrkkds_70gsm7tj</a><br><br><br>(1)<br><div>
<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="en-US">"Every
person has the right <span id="st" name="st" class="st">to</span> <span id="st" name="st" class="st">have</span> or not <span id="st" name="st" class="st">to</span> <span id="st" name="st" class="st">have</span> a <span id="st" name="st" class="st">
virtual</span> <span id="st" name="st" class="st">personality</span>,
where its presence, content and projection is regulated by each one of
them. <br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="en-US"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">It can not be used for discriminatory ends harming its </span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" id="st" name="st" class="st">
bearer</span>. <br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="en-US">The
State will guarantee that the information included in the <span id="st" name="st" class="st">virtual</span>
<span id="st" name="st" class="st">personality</span> <span id="st" name="st" class="st">have</span> the adequate juridical and technical security; with
the exclusion of third parties not authorized that pretend <span id="st" name="st" class="st">to</span> obtain
it. <br>
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<p><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="en-US">The
State could use the content of the <span id="st" name="st" class="st">virtual</span> <span id="st" name="st" class="st">personality</span> of the person,
previous authorization of the person, and always just if it is in the
benefit and advantage of the person."</span></p>
</div>The full text is here: <a href="http://personalidadvirtual.blogspot.com/">http://personalidadvirtual.blogspot.com/</a> <br><br>An interview with the main promoter of this new human right, a Costa Rican Magistrate (High Supreme Court Judge) is here:
<br><a href="http://www.prensalibre.co.cr/2007/marzo/17/abanico08.php">http://www.prensalibre.co.cr/2007/marzo/17/abanico08.php</a><br><br>A Costa Rican Congress newsletter where it mentions a session of the Comitteee processing this constitutional amendment is here:
<br><a href="http://www.asamblea.go.cr/actual/boletin/2006/oct06/24oct06.htm">http://www.asamblea.go.cr/actual/boletin/2006/oct06/24oct06.htm</a><br><br> <br><span style="font-size: 12pt;" lang="en-US">(2) <a href="http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2">
http://cis-berkman.editme.com/JacoLexiconChange2</a></span><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But there is at least another level playing with the difference between
denotational and referential semantics of identity. If I enter a virtual space
with my openid-identified avatar, and I then virtual dollars to buy and play an
virtual-online role playing game as George Washington doing with my human
property howsoever I actually did historically (censored), should I be accountable
in this world for the behavior there, even when merely role playing historical fact,
as judged by current proscriptions about hate and human dignity?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>Again, depends on the legislation of the country you are being processed...<br> <br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Yes, say I.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div>You are lucky that you live in 2007 in a democracy, and your opinion counts, and not a slave in Rome... ;-)
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Asymmetric information warfare is all about this juxtaposition
of identities and the associated realities.</span> </p>
Can you please provide some links to learn more about this last sentence you wrote?.
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Jaco Aizenman L.<br>My iname is =jaco (<a href="http://xri.net/=jaco" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://xri.net/=jaco</a>)<br>
Founder - <a href="http://www.virtualrights.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.virtualrights.org
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-name
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