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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>Hi.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>It was first time for me to see the PAPE and was nice. At
the same time, I started to wonder about the relationship between AQE and PAPE.
If you (David) could enlighten me on this topic, it would be very nice.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>Now, coming to the topic of this "classified OPs", I would
rather like to think of it as the AQ and Reputation issue. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>To me, Assertion Quality is defined by "Enrollment
Quality", "Authentication Quality", and "Operational Quality of OP".
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>AQE has the first two (though I would like to add several
more enrollment properties: oob is too broad. I would like to see something like
In-Person-with-photo-id etc. added.) . The last one can be taken care of by
Reputation (and audit). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>Ideally, there would be multiple reputation services that
RP can subscribe. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>Also, for audit, OPs should be able to present the audit
status, which can be verified at the audit service provider site in turn.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>This way, we would avoid having central authority
classifying OPs and yet allwoing RPs to have reasonable information for the
evaluation of the assertion. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=218535009-10072007><FONT face="ＭＳ Ｐゴシック"
color=#0000ff size=2>=nat</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> general-bounces@openid.net
[mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Recordon,
David<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, 2007 4:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B> John Wang;
OpenID - General<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OpenID] Initial thoughts on
OpenID<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Hey
John,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Saw
your post yesterday and actually syndicated it on <A
href="http://planet.openid.net">http://planet.openid.net</A>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Generally
I agree with you, I think the classification of providers and reliers is
reasonable though really crosses the border from just the OpenID world as
well.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
don't think I agree that there are a lot of Relying Parties also issuing
OpenIDs and then only consuming their own. Rather, I think part of the
current problem is there being an unproportionate number of Providers to
Relying Parties. This is however changing with sites like <A
href="http://ma.gnolia.com">http://ma.gnolia.com</A> only being an OpenID
Relying Party and AOL bringing on Relying Parties later this
month.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Have
you seen <A
href="http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-01.html">http://openid.net/specs/openid-provider-authentication-policy-extension-1_0-01.html</A>
by any chance?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">--David<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
general-bounces@openid.net [mailto:general-bounces@openid.net] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>John Wang<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 07, 2007 11:27 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
OpenID - General<BR><B>Subject:</B> [OpenID] Initial thoughts on
OpenID<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Recently I started considering OpenID authentication for a
project. I watched two screencasts and spoke to a few people to get a general
feel for the project and then jotted down my thoughts here:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.dev411.com/blog/2007/07/07/initial-thoughts-on-openid"
target=_blank>http://www.dev411.com/blog/2007/07/07/initial-thoughts-on-openid</A><BR><BR>Some
of the thoughts are similar to some posts on this list. Please let me know
where/if I'm wrong. I considered inlining the text but it's kind of long.
<BR><BR>--<BR>John Wang<BR><A
href="http://www.dev411.com/blog/">http://www.dev411.com/blog/</A><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>