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Hi Peter,<br>
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Peter Williams wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Can
we go through these statements?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span style="">1.<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span>A
collaborative space with OpenID login, yes<span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ok.
This seems to be a simple claim. A collaboration web-application
requires users
to logon. The OpenID protocol is the method used. Seems simple enough.
Jyte
asked MyOpenID to (a) repupose my login session, (b) send I&A
claims, (c) send
persona details.</span></p>
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Yes. [our definition] - A place in which people come together to
collaborate whereby their identity within that place is identified by
their OpenID.<br>
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style="">2.<span
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">“</span>and
OpenID server
with some social networking stuff, yes.<span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But,
what does this mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Isn’t
an “OpenID server” simply
(a) an “authentication server” (that happens to use webSSO flows) and
(b) an “attribute
authority server” (that serves up Registration persona data)?</span></p>
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The "OpenID server" as you say is an authentication server. Quoted from
the 2.0 specification.... :<br>
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<i> The exchange of profile information, or the exchange of other
information not covered in this specification, can be addressed through
<b>additional service types</b> built on top of this protocol to create
a framework. OpenID Authentication is designed to provide a base
service to enable portable, user-centric digital identity in a free and
decentralized manner.</i><br>
<br>
This really excites me (and apologies to the authors if I misunderstand
this) because there appears to be an effort in place to keep the OpenID
specification only about the authentication process (ie: streamlined)
and there is acknowledgment that other service types, for instance, a
social networking service may form from it.<br>
<br>
am making a huge assumption here, but for services to be beneficial to
the public we will need a way for all OpenID server administrators to
be able to build their services onto their OpenID server in way where
common exchange can ensure (messaging would be a bit pathietic if each
OpenID server used a different protocol to transmit/receive messages).
We came to the conclusion then that for services that require identity
to identity based information exchange or content to identity exchange
we need to devise common standards that support or enhance the OpenID
specification. We've experimented with social networking, bookmarking
and messaging, all of which we would like to make available in a way
that all OpenID server providers can benefit from. <br>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Or,
is there the implied
assertion that with “social networking stuff” that group/association
functions
have been added to the OpenID server, where the design of that is part
of the OpenID
movement’s work, in controlling and managing “user-centric
authorization
systems”?</span></p>
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I'm not sure i fully understand that (sorry). I suppose a naive answer
would be.... W3C take on open standards/specifications in support of
the Internet. The OpenID foundation could take on open service
specifications in support of OpenID. This would enable people to take
an OpenID server and build upon it and OpenID based service. W3C have
working groups and I think now would be a good time to propose
something similar to the OpenID Foundation -> a social networking
working group who's task it is to produce an OpenID social networking
specification.... and my next email will be to the board to propose
just that:)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For
example, our “association
management product” (viable only for realty-related applications,
really, like
offer/sale contract, title searches, money transfer & escrow,
mortgage
brokering, handling inspections, handling building contractors …) is a
pun. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
style="">1.<span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">It
enables a Realty Association to perform member management, and billing
for
those subscriptions (whereupon the member then services all the above,
for you,
interacting with professionals in each area (lawyers, county records,
bonded
escrow managers, banks, safety consultants, building firms) etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">But,
it also manages associations (relating a member who has associated with
others
in groupings known to the member as X, Y and Z) – given realtor needs
GOOD REFERALS
to compete for the next home transfer, and thus MUST associate to get
the next
lead. (Is also done non-standard WebSSO, for about 8 years, too </span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In
the same sense that XDi.org
(at xri.net) manages local and global name resolution in parallel, the
product
manages local and global names given by folk to the group(s) implied by
one’s
choice to associate with others for some purpose. From this,
entitlements are
managed – and are used to drive’s one’s “user-centric” authorization
system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Now,
if social networking-based
authorization work has produced community standards in this area (even
early
phase efforts), I can start trying to design an accommodation – where
that
association management products adapts to the standard – so (a) as to
interwork
with others, (b) provide use case analysis from a business community
that thrives
on and depends on (secure) social networking (and has for 100 years)
(c) support
the OpenID initiative.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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As I understand it ,"yes". Do my notes above make sense to you with
this?<br>
<br>
tom<br>
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