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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Allen,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, I didn't much want to keep coming back to the
group with responses...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Do you think we are pissing people off here? -
or is it an interesting issue?)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that because number portability in the UK
is well established I think it's a reasonable proposition to use a mobile phone
as a pre-fix to an openID domain in the UK. (NB I am NOT speaking for other
countries here)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On the grounds that I expect the sort of person
who registers their mobile to understand the nature of their
registration and will force that understanding if at all possible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I expect the user to already be displaying their
mobile number on web site, they probably have quite a small business, perhaps
just themselves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you are a company then I expect your openID URI
to be:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Large</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allentom.YourCompany.co.uk or</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allentom.YourCompany.com</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Medium</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allent.YourCompany.co.uk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allent.YourCompany.com</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey you are part of the "management" here - buck
stop here!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allen.YourCompany.co.uk</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>allen.YourCompany.com</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I cannot yet think in the entity life
history of a UK mobile number whereby it "has" to go to another
person?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And why on earth you would "give" your MOBILE
number to another person, it is business SUICIDE.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can see people getting a new number and on my
system being able to map the old ID over the new ID.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Lets look at the alternatives:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>markcross.co.uk - cybersquattered</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I attempt to register markcross.openID.co.uk -
tough, GONE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I attempt to register markcross.myopenid.com -
tough, GONE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I attempt to register markcross.pip.verisignlabs.com - tough, GONE</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Question:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Surely registering a prefix which does not have anything to do with the
individual leads to ZERO take up of openID?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers Mark</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=atom@yahoo-inc.com href="mailto:atom@yahoo-inc.com">Allen Tom</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sites@thirdvisit.co.uk
href="mailto:sites@thirdvisit.co.uk">sites@thirdvisit.co.uk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=general@openid.net
href="mailto:general@openid.net">general@openid.net</A> ; <A
title=mart@degeneration.co.uk
href="mailto:mart@degeneration.co.uk">mart@degeneration.co.uk</A> ; <A
title=gmartin@gmartin.org
href="mailto:gmartin@gmartin.org">gmartin@gmartin.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 09, 2007 3:04
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OpenID] PR: OpenID.co.uk -
"MobileNumber.OpenID.co.uk" as URI</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>Hi Mark,<BR><BR>The problem that I was
alluding to with phone number recycling is the case where original owner no
longer has the phone number, but doesn't want to give up the OpenID based on
that number. Obviously, rational people would agree that the ID should be
surrendered to the new owner, but oftentimes lawyers get involved in these
issues. <BR><BR>I suppose that this issue isn't much different than domain
squatting, but this is likely to be a legal quandary that many OPs would
rather not have to deal with.<BR><BR>Allen<BR><BR><BR><A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:sites@thirdvisit.co.uk">sites@thirdvisit.co.uk</A> wrote:<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">What happens if the phone number changes ownership?
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In the UK we have number portability between network providers. I can assume by your question - that in your country you don't have facility, that a shame.
Here the only numbers that change tend to be local geographic codes which have an additional number(s) prefixed at the front. (See my previous group posting on this.)
And if you change your phone number - in post business people's opinion, your business has just dropped off the face of the planet, it's like letting your domain expire! Queue a lot of expense.
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Is the OP required to hand over the OpenID to the
new owner? If so, is the original owner locked out
of all the sites that where he used his OpenID?
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Part of the spec for OpenID is that you can redirect?
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